CZ 75 vs Beretta 92

[kokapelli]

Awareness is more important than speed. If your aware of what's going on around you, you're already ahead of the game.

This one of the reasons I like pocket carry where I can have gun in hand before it hits the fan.

 

[Jim NE]

CZ 75 vs Beretta 92

In my opinion, now isn't really a great time to be shopping for a metal framed CZ. They're very hard to find, so when you do, they're sometimes priced well over list. I was able to find my new CZ 75BD Police for under $500 a few weeks ago, but I think I was lucky. If you have one lined up at a fair price, then go for it.

If I were looking for a CZ and $700 were my limit, I'd seriously look at the SP01. Feels better than the standard CZ 75B, in my opinion.

If you have a line on CZ's at a reasonable price, I'd jump on it. My local range has one in stock.

Sorry, can't help with the CZ Beretta comparison.

 

[Satasaurus]

In case anyone hasn't seen the Collateral scene that I was talking about, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI1_-a0coag

That's probably one of the coolest movie scenes that I can think of. Until I can get to a range where they're not rapid fire nazis I won't be able to get that good. You can only get so good with a "1 shot per second rule." Who the hell would only fire 1 shot per second when you're life is on the line and you're getting shot at? It's unrealistic and they know it. They don't want civilians actually getting that good with their weapons.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

People who run pistol ranges have different concerns than the people who use them.

Someone firing a lot of rounds rapidly may be very proficient, or simply an idiot who isn't paying attention to where those rounds are going. That's the reason many ranges are so STRICT about the speed with which rounds are fired. An idiot showing off is not a safe range user.

Even the range Nazis aren't likely to raise a stink about double-taps... and you should be able to do them if they let you draw from the holster on the range. (Some ranges don't.)

You don't have to have live rounds in your weapon to practice drawing and presenting. You can get an AIRSOFT pistol that matches your real gun and work with that, too, to master basic gun handling.

 

[B00ridge]

I've owned a 92 and have a CZ75 currently. The CZ is much better for me. The posts I've seen about the small slide on the CZ design are unfounded IMO. I find the CZ easy to manipulate and accurate as all get out. I prefer it so much compared to the 92.

Now granted, my 75 is a Shadow version that has been worked over by CZCustom, so it's got a pretty smooth trigger group in it.

I liked my CZ so much I ordered a pro-tek (PCR based gun) for carry.

 

[Ohio Gun Guy]

Love my CZ.... Made the choice, looked at the Beretta. Nice Pistol as well. Bought my CZ and have had no regrets. Very accurate!

 

[Gallstones]

I have a CZ 75 P-07 Duty .40 cal. Paid less than $500 for it new.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Where to start ...

I was just trying to point out that some situations are more dangerous then others and you should be able to identify when those situations are. The Harlem thing was just an extreme example, but I would expect to get attacked in that situation, so I would have it cocked and locked. Since I am a civilian and I avoid those people like the plague, I don't plan on needing a cocked and locked gun 24/7. In my car, I can just speed away or use the car as a much better weapon. At home I have a shotgun, so pistols are irrelevant. When I go to the grocery store I doubt I'll be getting jumped at the dairy products. I think you see my point. If I was a cop, I would carry cocked and locked because they get paid to deal with people that I want to be no where near, but as a civilian I highly doubt that it's worth the possible safety risk. To each their own. That's how I feel and no amount of posts on a forum is going to change my mind. Safety or not I'm not having a pistol pointing at my fellas with a bullet in the chamber. I still challenge anyone to find someone on here that's had their life saved by carrying cocked and locked. Maybe then I'll feel differently. I appreciate everyone's concern for my safety though.

I'm pretty sure that most self defense situations on the streets involve someone being blind sided or start in a way where racking the slide wouldn't be possible. I know of a couple of cases that if they carried without a round in the chamber, they would have ended up in the E.R. or dead.

Get over it and chamber a round. The whole "I'll see it coming" thing is just nonsense. If you can see it coming, get out of there or don't go there to begin with since it was that obvious to begin with. This isn't the movies here. Chamber a round and you'll be better off. Hopefully you don't start wishing for the rest of your life wishing you had chambered the first round laying on the street.

Stay safe.

 

[Satasaurus]

Yeah, I've decided that I'll probably just carry it with one in the chamber and the hammer down. You mentioned blind sided and that's what I was talking about with being aware of my surrounding. I know that stuff happens and you can't always see everything, but I dang sure try. Even walking to my car with a shopping cart I look behind and around me.

When I first moved here, a homeless guy came up out of no where asking for money as I was putting groceries in my trunk. I didn't see him because I wasn't looking around. It happened once and never again. Luckily he took no for an answer and left me alone. All I had on me was the 4" knife that I always carry, even when I take my dog outside since I had a homeless dude ask for a ride ON MY OWN PROPERTY!! As I type this I realize that I should really move lol.

 

[tarosean]

I can barely afford my ammo, let alone paying for someone to help me, and at this point I really don't think I need the help.

While its understandable that not everyone can afford Gunsite, Vickers, etc.
The NRA has lots of affordable training programs.

Continuing education is very important no matter what field/study.

 

[Satasaurus]

I'll look into it, but I'm pretty sure I saw one of those instructors at an indoor range I went to and I should have been instructing them lol. I felt bad for their students. I don't know how someone becomes an instructor, if you have to prove yourself or something, but I'm pretty sure that particular guy was a joke. Thanks for the heads up though.

 

[Hurryin' Hoosier]

Beretta commercial M9.

 

[Texshooter]

just make sure, on the CZ75 especially, you fully understand the Manual of Arms as it were regarding lowering the hammer / or using the thumb safety.

Better yet, IMO, get a CZ 75bD, with the decocker.

JMO

 

[druryj]

IMO, there simply is no finer pistol than a CZ 75...I have a duo tone compact 9mm and it feels and handles like what it is; an exceptionally made firearm. I have years of handgunning under my belt and routinely carry a Glock 26...but it's a "hammer;" a tool, if you will, and the CZ is a work of art. A heavy work of art though, so it goes with me on special occasions or if I want to impress the ladies on Saturday night..

 

[druryj]

And did I say it is dayyum purty to look at too?

 

[Pilot]

the CZ is a work of art. A heavy work of art though

That is why my main carry gun is the compact, lightweight, aluminum alloy framed CZ-75D PCR. Either that or the relatively similar P-01 would probably work well for you. I am not totally sold on CZ's polymer stuff yet, although they seem to have solved the teething problems of the P-07, and seem to be committed to it.

 

[MoreIsLess]

I would love to try shooting a CZ75. I've heard so much about them but I can't find a gun range near where I live (Atlanta GA) that rents them.

 

[Satasaurus]

Same here. I wouldn't even shoot one first though personally; if it fit my hand I would buy it right then and there.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

Apparently, one in three prefer the Beretta. For me, I can't say the Beretta really feels natural, or "fits" my hand, but it DOES point naturally, and hits count. It doesn't make any sense, but some guns will just do that: point or shoot more naturally than others , depending on the individual. I've had just enough quirks (weak springs that needed replaced: magazine catch, extractor, and magazine springs) that I cannot put the CZ above the Beretta overall. For me, I am happy with either one, and either may shoot better than the other.

 

[Satasaurus]

Apparently, one in three prefer the Beretta. For me, I can't say the Beretta really feels natural, or "fits" my hand, but it DOES point naturally, and hits count. It doesn't make any sense, but some guns will just do that: point or shoot more naturally than others , depending on the individual. I've had just enough quirks (weak springs that needed replaced: magazine catch, extractor, and magazine springs) that I cannot put the CZ above the Beretta overall. For me, I am happy with either one, and either may shoot better than the other.

Just wondering, but did that happen on brand new CZs or used ones?

 

[Fishbed77]

The CZ 75B copies, the Israilis have used a copy of the 75 made in Hungary, The Turks make a copy called the AR-24 When the CZ 75 wasn't available in any great number prior to the fall of the iron curtain, Springfield Armory made a copy call the M9 I believe. and of course the
Italians Tan Faglio is a copy of the 75. and others as well...

How many knowckoffs of the Berreta 92 are out there?

Quite a few, if you add up the various Taurus and ATI clones.

 

[4v50 Gary]

I hate the Beretta. Big gun for what? I'd go with the slimer and more ergonomic CZ anyday.

 

[hAkron]

Even though I voted CZ, I wasn't convinced, so I went down to my safe and counted. CZ is in the lead over Beretta in the poll going on in my safe by 17 to 2.

If you count Dan Wesson revolvers as CZ's (since CZ now owns DW), then the race becomes an even bigger massacre -- 21 to 2...if you add in CZ clones it starts to get really crazy -- 26 to 2 (13:1).

 

[Frank Ettin]

In case anyone hasn't seen the Collateral scene that I was talking about, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI1_-a0coag

That's probably one of the coolest movie scenes that I can think of. Until I can get to a range where they're not rapid fire nazis I won't be able to get that good. You can only get so good with a "1 shot per second rule." Who the hell would only fire 1 shot per second when you're life is on the line and you're getting shot at? It's unrealistic and they know it. They don't want civilians actually getting that good with their weapons.

1. If you really want to get that good, you need to get some good, professional instruction starting with the basics. That's what Tom Cruise did for the movie. Here's a video of him training.
   
   I've done some similar shooting from retention drills in a couple of classes -- one with Louis Awerbuck and one at Gunsite.
   
   
2. So called range nazis impose various rules because most folks who shoot there aren't nearly as good as they think they are. I can't blame anyone who has taken the financial risk of opening and running a shooting range for not wanting his range shot up by folks who don't have the skills they imagine they have.
   
   
3. And a good way to side step the limitation of many public ranges is to get involved in IDPA or USPSA competition. IDPA and/or USPSA can be very useful, if you approach with a good attitude and understand it's limitations. It is not the way to learn self defense or tactics. It is a very good way to practice the basic skills, e. g., good gun handling, moving safely with a loaded weapon, quick target identification and acquisition, shooting fast and accurately, engaging multiple targets, shooting from unconventional postures, shooting and moving, reloading, etc., all under some stress. Competition imposes an element of stress since it's, first of all, competition, and you'll be doing everything on the clock under the eyes of the Range Officer (and everyone else).
   
   Competition is not combat. But it's also not standing at a table doing static shooting. And many IDPA and/or USPSA clubs often provide some limited opportunity to practice (outside of competition) on a range without some of the constraints of a public range.

 

[PedalBiker]

In Colorado we have a lot of public land you can shoot on. Sometimes when I'm out on a hike or 4 wheeling I'll stop in a completely deserted valley and do weak hand out of position and other drills.

I prefer the CZ. I like the lock up, I like the ergonomics. I have the BD, no safety, it's just like a revolver except only one hard pull.