CZ 75 vs Beretta 92
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BlindJustice
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The 1911 has been copied by more companies than most can count....
The CZ 75B copies, the Israilis have used a copy of the 75 made in Hungary, The Turks make a copy called the AR-24 When the CZ 75 wasn't available in any great number prior to the fall of the iron curtain, Springfield Armory made a copy call the M9 I believe. and of course the
Italians Tan Faglio is a copy of the 75. and others as well...
How many knowckoffs of the Berreta 92 are out there?
Besides that the 92FS/M9 is a Big full size service pistol,
The 75B is also a service pistol but more efficient in size.
I have a 75B - it has the same frame mounted safety as
my 1911, slide mounted safeties just seem clumsy to me.
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The CZ 75B copies, the Israilis have used a copy of the 75 made in Hungary, The Turks make a copy called the AR-24 When the CZ 75 wasn't available in any great number prior to the fall of the iron curtain, Springfield Armory made a copy call the M9 I believe. and of course the
Italians Tan Faglio is a copy of the 75. and others as well...
How many knowckoffs of the Berreta 92 are out there?
Besides that the 92FS/M9 is a Big full size service pistol,
The 75B is also a service pistol but more efficient in size.
I have a 75B - it has the same frame mounted safety as
my 1911, slide mounted safeties just seem clumsy to me.
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My CZ 75b out shoots my Glock 17 in accuracy and reliability I would trust my life to it. Oh that's right I do it's my carry gun....jmr40 is a troll
BlindJustice
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A tale of Two 9s....
The Beretta 92FS/M9 predecessors which influenced it's design
The Beretta 92 of 1972 DA/SA Double Stack magazine
The Beretta M951 - SAO Single Stack Magazine
Both the 92 and M951 share the same barrel/slide/.fame lock up action
much like the original found in the Walther P38.
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THe CZ 75 - 1975 in profile looks similar to the browning
Hi Power but besides the cam action of the barrel/slide/frame
lockup and sharing the double stack magazine and similarly
located frame mounted safety they differ greatly.
DA/SA - dunnoh about comparisons to previous DDA/SA actions,
but the slide to frame where the female slots of the slide to frame
are reversed in comparison to the usual 1911 the slide sits inside
the frame which is traced back to the SIg P210. THe P210 was
based on the French Modele 35A - the Swiss paid for the design
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The Beretta 92FS/M9 predecessors which influenced it's design
The Beretta 92 of 1972 DA/SA Double Stack magazine
The Beretta M951 - SAO Single Stack Magazine
Both the 92 and M951 share the same barrel/slide/.fame lock up action
much like the original found in the Walther P38.
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THe CZ 75 - 1975 in profile looks similar to the browning
Hi Power but besides the cam action of the barrel/slide/frame
lockup and sharing the double stack magazine and similarly
located frame mounted safety they differ greatly.
DA/SA - dunnoh about comparisons to previous DDA/SA actions,
but the slide to frame where the female slots of the slide to frame
are reversed in comparison to the usual 1911 the slide sits inside
the frame which is traced back to the SIg P210. THe P210 was
based on the French Modele 35A - the Swiss paid for the design
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chris in va
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I don't understand why everyone defaults to the 75 series when looking at a CZ. If you have $700 to spend, look at the more modern SP-01. Heck even the P-01 has better 'combat' features.
Lowballing government contracts.
Lowballing government contracts.
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JTQ
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There is no pistol I want to like more than the CZ75B. It seems like a great design. However, I'd pick the Beretta 92FS.
The CZ really feels great in the hand, better than the Beretta, but for me, the CZ has a very long reach to the trigger in double action mode, and the reach to use what I like to call a "little half jelly bean" of a thumb safety in single action is also a long reach. It would be difficult for me to use the CZ in either single or double action out of the holster.
The Beretta is thick in the grip, but the trigger reach is not that long. The Beretta slide mounted safety/decocker is awkward for a 1911 user like me, but since I'd only use it to decock the pistol, and could do that at "ground speed zero", the safety/decocker is really a non-issue to me. Besides, there is practically nothing has a slide that retracts as smoothly as a Beretta.
If given the option for the CZ75B S/A with its' shorter reach trigger and larger shelf type thumb safeties, I may choose the CZ, but in DA/SA pistol trim, I'd prefer the Beretta.
The CZ really feels great in the hand, better than the Beretta, but for me, the CZ has a very long reach to the trigger in double action mode, and the reach to use what I like to call a "little half jelly bean" of a thumb safety in single action is also a long reach. It would be difficult for me to use the CZ in either single or double action out of the holster.
The Beretta is thick in the grip, but the trigger reach is not that long. The Beretta slide mounted safety/decocker is awkward for a 1911 user like me, but since I'd only use it to decock the pistol, and could do that at "ground speed zero", the safety/decocker is really a non-issue to me. Besides, there is practically nothing has a slide that retracts as smoothly as a Beretta.
If given the option for the CZ75B S/A with its' shorter reach trigger and larger shelf type thumb safeties, I may choose the CZ, but in DA/SA pistol trim, I'd prefer the Beretta.
Throwingdown
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Beretta is a sexy pistol. So is the CZ75b.
Both have small sights from the factory, both have double action/single action. The Beretta has a slide mounted decocker, the CZ has to be done manually.
The CZ is solid steel, the Beretta is not.
Both high capacity. Both have aftermarket parts available (CZ custom/Cajun gun works make good stuff for the CZ's).
Ergo's. CZ hands down.
I like both, but no longer own a Beretta. I may buy another down the road if the craziness ever settles down. Besides, who cares what anyone else thinks? Buy what you like and what works for you.
These kind of questions are like the old Chevy vs. Ford crap.
Both have small sights from the factory, both have double action/single action. The Beretta has a slide mounted decocker, the CZ has to be done manually.
The CZ is solid steel, the Beretta is not.
Both high capacity. Both have aftermarket parts available (CZ custom/Cajun gun works make good stuff for the CZ's).
Ergo's. CZ hands down.
I like both, but no longer own a Beretta. I may buy another down the road if the craziness ever settles down. Besides, who cares what anyone else thinks? Buy what you like and what works for you.
These kind of questions are like the old Chevy vs. Ford crap.
I have the CZ-75B, 75D PCR and the Kadet Kit .22 conversion. The CZ's are great guns, and offer full size, all steel pistols like the 75B, 85B, 75SA, SP-01, compact all steel, and compact aluminum alloy framed guns like the PCR, and P-01. In recent years they have added polymer P-07, P-09, and SP-01 Phantom. Choose the one that fits your needs best. For range and HD, the full size ones are great, but the PCR, and P-01 can do it all.
I also have a 92FS, and 92FS Compact. Both are also fantastic guns, and utterly reliable, accurate, and well made. I get around the Walther style safety by only using it as a decocker, and keep it off normally.
Tough call. See if you can shoot both.
I also have a 92FS, and 92FS Compact. Both are also fantastic guns, and utterly reliable, accurate, and well made. I get around the Walther style safety by only using it as a decocker, and keep it off normally.
Tough call. See if you can shoot both.
wickedsprint
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You liked that?
I despise slide mounted safety, decocker levers.... Just hate them! A good way to get cut while clearing malfs.
Agree. I may still buy an M9 out of nostalgia. It's like an old friend.
Satasaurus
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I care what everyone else thinks because maybe they know things that I don't, which is very probable. I'm just trying to find out which pistol is superior. I guess grip is a big part of it because it should fit you well to shoot it well, but I would actually prefer if everyone just acted like they both have amazing grips that fit them like gloves and just focus on the pistol. If everyone decides based on grip then this is a who has big vs small hands poll instead of which pistol is better.
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In my highly esteemed opinion, by your last post, you have just cracked the code: Both are top-quality production pistols. Both are highly reliable, and used by many police, militaries, and civilians. Both have loyal followings.
So, choosing between them comes down to features, fit, and preferences. I love the short trigger reset of the Beretta, as well as its accuracy and smoothness. I hate the location of the slide-mounted safety. Overall, a Beretta 92 feels very nice to me. I have always admired it as a very attractive pistol, and I could be very happy carrying one again.
The internal design of the SIG-Sauer is much more impressive to me. It may be the most superior design on the planet, but I never found one that felt quite right to me to the point that I was willing to buy it, though I intended to buy one when I came home from Afghanistan.
I love the CZ75 first for the fit and feel. I first picked one up while I was shopping for a P226. It was wearing Hogue wraparound finger groove rubber grips, and as soon as it hit my hand, I lost all interest in buying a SIG or Beretta. I did a little research on it, decided that it had just as good a rep as the other two, and bought a 75B SA.
So, there it is: you pick your pistol based on your priorities - fit, design, options, upgradability, or whatever they are. For me, ergonomics have a huge part to play, because it makes a pistol friendly to your hand and makes it shootable.
So, choosing between them comes down to features, fit, and preferences. I love the short trigger reset of the Beretta, as well as its accuracy and smoothness. I hate the location of the slide-mounted safety. Overall, a Beretta 92 feels very nice to me. I have always admired it as a very attractive pistol, and I could be very happy carrying one again.
The internal design of the SIG-Sauer is much more impressive to me. It may be the most superior design on the planet, but I never found one that felt quite right to me to the point that I was willing to buy it, though I intended to buy one when I came home from Afghanistan.
I love the CZ75 first for the fit and feel. I first picked one up while I was shopping for a P226. It was wearing Hogue wraparound finger groove rubber grips, and as soon as it hit my hand, I lost all interest in buying a SIG or Beretta. I did a little research on it, decided that it had just as good a rep as the other two, and bought a 75B SA.
So, there it is: you pick your pistol based on your priorities - fit, design, options, upgradability, or whatever they are. For me, ergonomics have a huge part to play, because it makes a pistol friendly to your hand and makes it shootable.
The problem with asking which gun is "better" is that it is very subjective. Different things are important to people.
The Beretta 92FS and the CZ-75 variant pistols are both SUPERIOR handguns, that are high quality, accurate, and reliable. The Beretta in general is more finely finished, but the CZ is fine from that perspective as well. The CZ often gets high marks for its grip, and ergos like the placement of the safety. The Beretta most likely has a better out of the box trigger, but the CZ does smooth out with use, and can be made to have great triggers also.
So, you see "better" or "best" can only be defined by YOU. Again, both these pistol are fine firearms, and you've received a lot of good info.
The Beretta 92FS and the CZ-75 variant pistols are both SUPERIOR handguns, that are high quality, accurate, and reliable. The Beretta in general is more finely finished, but the CZ is fine from that perspective as well. The CZ often gets high marks for its grip, and ergos like the placement of the safety. The Beretta most likely has a better out of the box trigger, but the CZ does smooth out with use, and can be made to have great triggers also.
So, you see "better" or "best" can only be defined by YOU. Again, both these pistol are fine firearms, and you've received a lot of good info.
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Deanimator
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CZ-75.
A friend of a friend had as his duty gun as a Cleveland transit cop, a Beretta 96D. The trigger pull was nothing short of GRUESOME. It was unspeakably awful. At least you can carry the CZ cocked and locked and avoid the double action, which I don't like on ANY semi-auto.
That combined with the large grip of the Beretta takes it out consideration for me.
A friend of a friend had as his duty gun as a Cleveland transit cop, a Beretta 96D. The trigger pull was nothing short of GRUESOME. It was unspeakably awful. At least you can carry the CZ cocked and locked and avoid the double action, which I don't like on ANY semi-auto.
That combined with the large grip of the Beretta takes it out consideration for me.
I voted Beretta, assuming your hand size is at least average. Safety first. Decocker is a plus when lowering the hammer.
For a self defense weapon, you don't need cocked and locked, or half cocked, unless you spend your time in a particularly dangerous environment and train extensively.
Deanimator
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For self-defense you need cocked and locked if you hate conventional double action, which I do.
For me, it's "safe action" (Glock, Springfield XD, Ruger SR, S&W M&P, etc.) or cocked and locked.
The ONLY conventional double action guns I'd ever even consider would be a Walther PPK or a Kahr 9mm, and then only because there aren't any comparably small and thin "safe action" types that will fit in a front pants pocket.
Yelovitz_503
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CZ: all day, every day.
I have had my CZ 75B for a few years now and have been nothing but ecstatic with the purchase. I have nothing against Berettas, 92FS' are quite nice, but when it comes to ergonomics, sight picture, crispness of trigger pull/reset, smoothness of operations the CZ comes out on top every time.
IMO: The only advantage the Beretta has over the CZ is the de-cocker, and there are quite a few CZ models with this feature (though not the regular 75Bs to my knowledge).
I'm sure you'd be happy with either purchase but I would always go with the CZ 75 over most other guns (especially most other full size 9mm pistols). The gun just fits into your hand like it was meant to be there, I can achieve good sight alignment quickly, and fire many rounds quickly and accurately due to the excellent balance and wonderful, smooth trigger break.
I also tend to find the Beretta just feels fat and large comparatively. I know many people do, but I couldn't imagine carrying a bulky 92FS as my concealed, whereas the CZ is slender enough to be comfortably worn with an IWB holster. I also find the sights on the Beretta to be too high, and a little awkward. Just my opinion on that front, but you will want to practice raising both weapons to a shooting position quickly and see which you can get a good sight picture with faster.
EDIT: Another thing to consider is the magazine capacity. Standard Beretta magazines hold 15 rounds, standard magazines for the CZ hold 16. I know the saying "if you haven't hit them in 15 shots, you won't hit them with one more" but I'd rather have that extra shot available if my life is riding on the outcome.
Both are great guns, but for me it has to be a CZ 75B. I got mine back in 2009 and haven't ever regretted it.
I have had my CZ 75B for a few years now and have been nothing but ecstatic with the purchase. I have nothing against Berettas, 92FS' are quite nice, but when it comes to ergonomics, sight picture, crispness of trigger pull/reset, smoothness of operations the CZ comes out on top every time.
IMO: The only advantage the Beretta has over the CZ is the de-cocker, and there are quite a few CZ models with this feature (though not the regular 75Bs to my knowledge).
I'm sure you'd be happy with either purchase but I would always go with the CZ 75 over most other guns (especially most other full size 9mm pistols). The gun just fits into your hand like it was meant to be there, I can achieve good sight alignment quickly, and fire many rounds quickly and accurately due to the excellent balance and wonderful, smooth trigger break.
I also tend to find the Beretta just feels fat and large comparatively. I know many people do, but I couldn't imagine carrying a bulky 92FS as my concealed, whereas the CZ is slender enough to be comfortably worn with an IWB holster. I also find the sights on the Beretta to be too high, and a little awkward. Just my opinion on that front, but you will want to practice raising both weapons to a shooting position quickly and see which you can get a good sight picture with faster.
EDIT: Another thing to consider is the magazine capacity. Standard Beretta magazines hold 15 rounds, standard magazines for the CZ hold 16. I know the saying "if you haven't hit them in 15 shots, you won't hit them with one more" but I'd rather have that extra shot available if my life is riding on the outcome.
Both are great guns, but for me it has to be a CZ 75B. I got mine back in 2009 and haven't ever regretted it.
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I have both. Prefer the Beretta if I had to have just one...bad times pistol. CZ for range time.
Those saying the Beretta and CZ are not in the same league...well...it is laughable. Both are fine pistol makers.
I am now off to watch Diehard so yippe kay yay.....
Those saying the Beretta and CZ are not in the same league...well...it is laughable. Both are fine pistol makers.
I am now off to watch Diehard so yippe kay yay.....
Satasaurus
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Yeah, I'm a civilian, and personally I would never carry a gun cocked and locked unless I'm walking around Harlem with a pound of gold on. I figure that if I'm in that bad of a situation where I have 1 second to fire a bullet, I'm probably a goner anyways. I carry with safety on and nothing in the chamber, and rack the slide if I think I might be walking into a bad situation. As much as I love Glocks, I would NEVER carry one with a bullet in the chamber. Even with a manual safety on I don't want a bullet in the chamber ...
Also, I had a S&W Sigma and I've shot plenty of revolvers, so double action isn't a problem for me. I'm actually really glad I got the Sigma because that trigger made me a better shooter.
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Yelovitz_503
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Reeeeeeeally? The CZ 75 has, since it's inception, been one of the most widely adopted pistols by both militaries and police forces around the world (but what do they know about shooting and combat reliability anyway?). I've also seen malfunctions on the many Berettas I've shot that I've never seen on any of the CZs I've owned/fired.
I'm curious to know what you would recommend more highly than either of these very reputable, and well crafted pistols... a Hi-Point perhaps?
It's my primary carry as well. I have a Glock 17 also and I agree with you on everything in this post.
I don't know why this makes so many people uncomfortable, I carry the CZ cocked and locked all the time. A large portion of weapon malfunctions come from the action cycling and the chambering of a new round.. so why, if your life is on the line, would you add an extra step that is proven to be one of the most likely to fail? My CZ hasn't ever had a problem chambering, and I only carry it half-cocked, but it still seems like asking for trouble to add that extra step. I've heard people say that an unwillingness to carry chambered shows that the operator lacks the necessary confidence to even BE armed in the first place, and while I disagree with that I do believe that the extra step (which is prone to malfunction) should be removed from the equation when your life is in danger, no matter what gun you are using. I stopped carrying chambered for a little while after I was shot by someone, but quickly realized that I was just as comfortable as I had been before that point and have since resumed.
Reeeeeeeally? The CZ 75 has, since it's inception, been one of the most widely adopted pistols by both militaries and police forces around the world (but what do they know about shooting and combat reliability anyway?). I've also seen malfunctions on the many Berettas I've shot that I've never seen on any of the CZs I've owned/fired.
I'm curious to know what you would recommend more highly than either of these very reputable, and well crafted pistols... a Hi-Point perhaps?
It's my primary carry as well. I have a Glock 17 also and I agree with you on everything in this post.
I don't know why this makes so many people uncomfortable, I carry the CZ cocked and locked all the time. A large portion of weapon malfunctions come from the action cycling and the chambering of a new round.. so why, if your life is on the line, would you add an extra step that is proven to be one of the most likely to fail? My CZ hasn't ever had a problem chambering, and I only carry it half-cocked, but it still seems like asking for trouble to add that extra step. I've heard people say that an unwillingness to carry chambered shows that the operator lacks the necessary confidence to even BE armed in the first place, and while I disagree with that I do believe that the extra step (which is prone to malfunction) should be removed from the equation when your life is in danger, no matter what gun you are using. I stopped carrying chambered for a little while after I was shot by someone, but quickly realized that I was just as comfortable as I had been before that point and have since resumed.
Satasaurus
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I see what you mean, but I just don't feel comfortable potentially betting my life that the hammer isn't going to drop with a live round in the chamber. It just doesn't seem worth it. Like I said, if my life depended on a quick draw, then I'm probably a goner anyways. I figure that most people don't even have a gun, let alone carry one every day. So I'm already a few steps ahead of most people without having it cocked and locked. I mean really, how many civilians have actually had their lives saved by having a gun cocked a locked?
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