CZ-75b musings

[Lvl21nerd]

alright so i plan to get a CZ-75b 9mm very very soon

i wonder a couple of things though; i will buy new, and was curious what sort of shape the pistol will likely be in when i receive it (covered in oil? totally dry?)

also, would the 22lr conv kit be a good purchase, or should i just get a 22 pistol later?

any known issues with the 75b?

what do you guys think of them?

 

[Wishoot]

The only problem I've ever had from my 75B is that it will cost me a bunch of money. A bunch of money spent on more CZ's.

 

[KodiakBeer]

It won't be layered in cosmoline if that's what you're asking. You could shoot it as it comes out of the box, but you should break it down and clean it up anyway. Who knows what kind of oil they put on it in the factory, and breaking it down and reassembling it will with be a good familiarization with the piece. It's not unknown for even quality firearms like the CZ to have a few metal shavings tucked away in the action some place.

And yes, the .22 conversion is a very, very good buy. You'll thank yourself every time you shoot it. With a 1911 say, you can buy a Buckmark or a Ruger .22/45 and get the same trigger, controls, etc, for training. There are no .22's laid out like the CZ, so buy the conversion.

 

[wmeSha]

It'll be covered in oil/preservative in a plastic bag inside the plastic case. You'll probably want to clean it down before you shoot it, although I believe I took my own straight to the range. Still it was improved by a cleaning afterward.

 

[Lvl21nerd]

There are better choices than a CZ.

what should i buy over a CZ?

i am not interested in too many different types of ammo, i mainly like 9mm and .45 ACP

what would you recommend?


ps.- must say i am fairly interested in a RIA 1911

and i also want a Ruger .357 at some point lol

 

[Haifisch]

Beretta or a Glock.

 

[Rule3]

The CZ75b is not covered in oil or grease. It is a outstanding pistol and one of the best shooting 9mm out of the box. It even gets better after a few hundred rounds. I have thousands of rounds through mine and never a hiccup,
The only thing I do not like about it is it is very large and hard to reach the slide release lever. For a range gun, it's perfect, I like the compact, alloy much better (75D PCR). The Kadet conversion may well be nice but it is way too expensive.(IMO) I never bought one for that reason. I'd rather buy a whole new gun for that price.

 

[Lvl21nerd]

thanks for the quick reply

i wont buy a glock (dont like the grip angle, and lack of a manual safety)

i want a Beretta, but not badly enough to spend an extra $200 right now

when i have a better job though, i will certainly get a 92FS

 

[Rule3]

There are better choices than a CZ.

For the price, not many. The CZ 75 will out shoot a Glock any day of the week.

Iy also depends on what you inteded use for the gun is. Range, Home, etc. It's not a carry gun.

 

[Lvl21nerd]

i live in illinois so carrying is out anyways

 

[Wishoot]

Originally Posted by Haifisch View Post
There are better choices than a CZ.

The troll returns. Only to to another gun forum.

Haifisch will bash CZ till the end of the Earth, but will not provide anything to substantiate his hate. Take a look at his wonderful insight on TFL and you'll see what I mean.

 

[DT Guy]

There are better choices than a CZ.

Beretta or a Glock.

Having owend multiple specimens of both, and still owning at least one of each, I would assert that this is certainly 'opinion' rather than fact. I'd further ask for supporting evidence.


Larry

 

[dom1104]

CZs are widely loved on this forum.

Comparing a CZ to Glock is a little odd, they are very different guns in every way. Construction and operation.

Get the CZ, shoot the heck out of it, if its going to be your gun, then get the 22lr upper.

 

[KodiakBeer]

Ignore Haifisch. It doesn't get any better than the CZ, unless you want to drop a couple thou on some slicked up match 1911.

And do get the conversion unit, it'll pay for itself pretty quick. The cheapest 9mm you'll find is what? $15 a box? $20 a box? How many boxes do you have to shoot to pay for your conversion unit...?

Shoot a couple hundred .22's and 50 9mm's and you're out $20 to $25. Shoot 250 9mm's and you're out $120.

 

[Zcarp2]

Go for the CZ

Tried the Glock and the Beretta. They just didn't feel right and while I did not spend a lot of time on the range, they wouldn't shoot as good as the CZ-75. Personal preference, I am sure. When looking at a gun, get one that feels good. Then you will shoot better from the get go.

The most important part of shooting is to remember to smile! Improves your attitude and your groups!

Zcarp2

 

[Rule3]

My next CZ is gonna be their plastic gun. PO7 Duty. It is really nice. (JMO)

 

[Wishoot]

RAMI for me.

 

[Sam1911]

I just purchased a CZ75B with the Omega trigger last week. For the money, I'm pretty impressed.

I got the Omega system mostly because that's the only one that comes with the upswept beavertail instead of the standard downward pointing frame spur, at least until you get to the pricier competition and/or limited edition models. I've tried the standard 75B and the grip spur began to wear a sore spot on my hand after a few shots. I use a high hold and tend to grip pistols very firmly, and really would not find the standard 75B workable. The Omega version grip is quite comfortable, on the other hand.

Also, there is talk that the conversion parts to swap between the standard SA safety and a decocker will be available soon. (Cool for IDPA use.)

The pistol came with two mags and was packaged in light oil, inside a plastic bag, inside a plastic box, inside a cardboard sleeve. I paid $480 + tax, I think. (Cabelas had them in stock.)

The only thing I'm not impressed with is the trigger. The SA pull is very light, which is fine, but has a lot of creep. The DA pull is impossible to describe in terms that are acceptable on this forum. "Heavy" and "stagey" begin to hint at it... and probably would be workable descriptions with a few expletives thrown in ahead of them.

I've gone through the lockwork and polished a lot of things up, and honed the engagement faces of the hammer and sear, but the trigger still has ~3/16" of creepy travel before the break. So far, there are no suggestions as to what can be done for the DA pull. A lighter mainspring is suggested by some, but that comes with reliability issues, as well as also making the SA pull lighter as well, which is counterproductive.

So much for the bad.

The good was range performance last practice night. Very fast. Very flat-shooting. Accuracy seems to be very good.

If I can get the trigger sorted out, I'll be quite happy with mine.

 

[KodiakBeer]

The DA trigger pull is always going to be heavyish, but it gets better. Clean all the oil out of it and spend an evening double tapping people on TV in double action. I recommend the TV show "Friends" since it's on one channel or another all night long. Head shots on the girls, heart shots on the others and gut shots on any walk-on characters. Mozambique drills for everybody. The DA pull will slick up pretty quick.

But really, (maybe since I'm a 1911 guy) the beauty of a CZ is that you don't need to shoot DA. Just carry it cocked and locked.

 

[Hammerhead6814]

You'll love a CZ-75b. Back when the US Army was picking a replacement for the 1911, the CZ-75 and Beretta 92 were neck-in-neck until Beretta said it would build a plant here in the US. CZ couldn't do that, being an eastern-bloc country and all.

 

[Riss]

I love my CZ-75 B SA and would not trade it for anything. It is one of the most reliable, and surely the most accurate pistol I have.

 

[Wishoot]

I just purchased a CZ75B with the Omega trigger last week. For the money, I'm pretty impressed.

I got the Omega system mostly because that's the only one that comes with the upswept beavertail instead of the standard downward pointing frame spur, at least until you get to the pricier competition and/or limited edition models. I've tried the standard 75B and the grip spur began to wear a sore spot on my hand after a few shots. I use a high hold and tend to grip pistols very firmly, and really would not find the standard 75B workable. The Omega version grip is quite comfortable, on the other hand.

Also, there is talk that the conversion parts to swap between the standard SA safety and a decocker will be available soon. (Cool for IDPA use.)

The pistol came with two mags and was packaged in light oil, inside a plastic bag, inside a plastic box, inside a cardboard sleeve. I paid $480 + tax, I think. (Cabelas had them in stock.)

The only thing I'm not impressed with is the trigger. The SA pull is very light, which is fine, but has a lot of creep. The DA pull is impossible to describe in terms that are acceptable on this forum. "Heavy" and "stagey" begin to hint at it... and probably would be workable descriptions with a few expletives thrown in ahead of them.

I've gone through the lockwork and polished a lot of things up, and honed the engagement faces of the hammer and sear, but the trigger still has ~3/16" of creepy travel before the break. So far, there are no suggestions as to what can be done for the DA pull. A lighter mainspring is suggested by some, but that comes with reliability issues, as well as also making the SA pull lighter as well, which is counterproductive.

So much for the bad.

The good was range performance last practice night. Very fast. Very flat-shooting. Accuracy seems to be very good.

If I can get the trigger sorted out, I'll be quite happy with mine.

Sam- I also have the Omega trigger on my 75B. Shoot it a few hundred times in DA and it will loosen up quite a bit. Mine has become quite acceptable in DA after a few hundred rounds.

 

[Kingofthehill]

CZ75's are amazing guns. Very often overlooked and i think their strong suit is accuracy. the ONLY thing i don't care for is how the slide rides inside the rail other then outside, giving you less surface area to grab for stuff like Tap/Rack drills.

that hasn't stopped me from buying them. Its a great all metal gun that gives you great tuning opportunities. Its a nice cross between a 1911 and a HiPower. Its got a very good solid after market support as well.

If you want a .22 you can just put a Kadet upper on it and shoot all day for a few bucks keeping the same feel and trigger as it was in normal 9mm/40 trim.

Its more accurate then every striker fired pistol I own and have owned as well.

I like em' and think they are a good use of money

JOe

 

[tekarra]

The cZ 75 is a terrific pistol. It will most likely outlast you! I strongly suggest you buy a Kadet Kit as well. My Kadet Kit has almost found a permanent home on one of my 75s.

 

[KodiakBeer]

CZ75's are amazing guns. Very often overlooked and i think their strong suit is accuracy. the ONLY thing i don't care for is how the slide rides inside the rail other then outside, giving you less surface area to grab for stuff like Tap/Rack drills.

But that's the very feature that makes the CZ so great! It allows the axis of the bore to be lower in relation to the hand, allowing quicker sight picture recovery between shots. Try double tapping a target with your CZ and a similar pistol - a High Power or a Beretta. You'll do it faster and more accurately with the CZ.