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CZ-83 - Options? Availability? Why Good?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by wbond, Jan 12, 2006.

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  1. wbond

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    I've taken such a liking to CZ-83s that I'm going to start collecting them.

    I know CZ-83 is commonly available in .380 ACP and blued.

    What about .380 ACP with nickel finish? Common or hard to find? More expensive or same?

    Same questions apply to:
    .32 ACP blued?
    .32 ACP nickel?
    9x18 blued?
    9x18 nickel?

    I'd like to know if each is available in USA. Also, how available? i.e. - how easy to find. Typical prices?

    I know 9x18 are difficult to find, but possible in blued. Has anyone ever seen or heard of a 9x18 in nickel?

    I think .32 ACP is difficult to find in blue, but possible. Is it? How about .32 ACP in nickel? I've never seen or heard of the .32 in Nickel.

    I'd be very interested to know these things. Perhaps others would too.

    I'm the recoil sensitive guy whose hand is held together by 4 screws. I've taken a real liking to the CZ-83s because they dampen recoil very well, have a reasonably easy DA trigger, and I can rack the slide, though I would NOT call the slide easy, it is doable for me, which is not the case with Beretta, Browning, and many other .380s. Only the Bersa .380s are better for trigger and slides, but not as good as CZ-83 for recoil.

    I think the CZ-83s, like most commy block guns were designed as "unisex" guns because they small enough for a woman, big enough for a man, and powerful enough to get the job done, especially in 9x18. Also the 3 chamber offerings make a great choice of power-recoil options for recoil sensitive people. My hands are as big as the average man, but with a bit longer fingers. My recoil sensitivity is very wussy due to medical problems with left hand and right wrist. So I've got man sized hands, but petite woman recoil tolerance. The CZ-83 is a dream for me. I think most commy guns were made for unisex use because they had women in the military since forever. So the guns had to work for men and women, plus their small chinese and vietnamese allies who also had women in arms. So most commy block guns were designed to work well for small women, medium size men, and everyone in between. The result is perfect for recoil sensitive people who want some stopping power. They're not as concealable as a Bersa, but they shoot easier for sensitive hands and offer more power in 9x18.

    Thanks from Wbond
     
  2. Onmilo

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    Being a .32 acp fan, I would like to own one of the CZ-83 pistols in this caliber.
    This and a Browning 1900 would make me a very happy accumulator.:)
     
  3. FireBreather01

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    I have 2 CZ 83's - both are 9mak one blue, one nickel. They are fantastic guns. I love shooting them and have used them for CCW. They're just loads of fun and make just fantastic guns for new shooters, I have two because they are so valuable for teaching and in every class it seems someone (or two) brings a gun with which they just aren't yet capable of handling.

    I currently use one as my night stand gun. You're right about recoil, these steel pistols really soak it up and with the ergonomics of the gun recoil is negligible.

    The 9X18 - mak's aren't all that difficult to find - there are several on GunBroker right now. They seem to be selling NIB models for around $350.00. If you want a deal in any of the calibers - hang out on the CZ Forum http://p201.ezboard.com/bczechpistols82792 and you'll find plenty of deals. There is about one every week or two in each caliber that seems to come up for sale. And there are some in nickel as well.
     
  4. Majic

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    A big part of collecting is finding the answers to those questions yourself. Learn as you go along as the education is as much a part of the game as actually finding a specimen.
     
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  6. gazpacho

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    Got a blue one in 32acp, and its my favorite gun in my collection. If you find one witht he squared front trigger guard, you can buy the round one from CZ-USA for about $65. Check this site for info. Although the CZ-USA website says the 32acp highcap mag holds 12rds, it actually holds 15. It's real fun taking it to the range and firing 15+1 out of a little compact.

    CZ-USA only imports the occasional prepaid batch from the Czech Rep. I bought mine from this guy on Gunbroker. Very reputable.
     
  7. wbond

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    Yes I saw the nickel 9x18, but I want NIB

    Yes I saw the nickel 9x18, but I want NIB, if I can find it. Thanks.

     
  8. Gun Wielding Maniac

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    The CZ-82 is in 9x18 Makarov... its exactly the same gun as the 83 except with polygonal rifling. Its sold by SOG for 250 dollars. Just a heads up.
     
  9. wbond

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    CZ-82 vs CZ-83

    Really? If so, thanks a lot. I had heard the CZ-83 had a much improved safety system to prevent accidental discharge. If so, they are not the same gun. However, I really don't know about the safety issue. It's all second hand information to me. Maybe they are the same gun. I'll have to look into this.

    By SOG, you mean the SOG handgun company? I don't know much about SOG, but want to learn.

    What is the web address of SOG?

    Thanks.

     
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    I have one in .32ACP and it is a fabulous gun. Overbuilt for the cartridge, but a supershooter. :)
     
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    They do, just scroll down. As of Thursday, they still had something like 700 in stock. I'm saving up for mine.
     
  13. wbond

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    CZ-83 in 9x18 - bought 3

    Ya. I just bought 3 CZ-83s 9x18 NIB that are blue. The tough one is to find the nickel. I'd really like to find a nickel CZ-83 in 9x18 NIB. Any suggestions?

     
  14. wbond

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    CZ-83 9x18 Nickel NIB

    I'm not having any luck finding a CZ-83 9x18 nickel NIB. I don't think I'm going to find it for any price.

    I've been to the CZ forums too. No dice. Not for love or money since they don't have it NIB.
     
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  15. Tom Servo

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    Definitely! Keep me in the loop.

    Incidentally, this guy seems to have plenty of the blued models, but I'd hold out for the nickel.
     
  16. wbond

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    Nickel 9x18 CZ-83s

    I actually think we will be able to do this without having to pay extra for nickel and without even having to order as a group. CZ-USA just needed to know the level of interest.

    I was just contacted back by CZ-USA and they said OK and told me to put in a pre-order for the number I want. However, I'm not a wholesaler or retailer, so I had to enquire back about how to put in a pre-order (back order).

    Do I have my retailer do it? Or do they have their wholesaler do it? Don't know yet. Will find out from CZ-USA.

    Apparently they would be backordered in Feb and available in March or April to consumers (us). So if you want one, budget your money in advance accordingly. This may be your last chance ever to buy one NIB. The price was not discussed, but since they didn't mention it, I assume it'd be for the standard $380 retail.

    They only plan to import 24 total in nickel for entire USA, but can import more if there is sufficient interest. Is there sufficient interest? I've got dibs on the first 3 myself.

    If there is sufficient interest, I'll let them know and maybe they'll get an extra 12 or 24 nickel. Is there sufficient interest? Let me know and I'll let them know.

    Will let you all know more once I know more.

    You've all been very helpful with advice to me, so if I can return the favor by helping you get a gun you want, that's great.

    Thanks from wbond, "the recoil sensitive guy" aka "CZ-83 Lover"
     
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    Good gun. Reliable and accurate. Have seen more than one at my local gun store so they can't be too hard to come by. Paid $350.00 NIB!
     
  18. gazpacho

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    Thanks, Shear Stress. I instinctively clicked on the link for Surplus Handguns. Silly me. :rolleyes:
     
  19. wbond

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    When was this?

    Seriously?

    When did you see a CZ-83 in 9x18 nickel at your local gun store? Surely not recently. They are rare NIB and have been for a few years now, or so I'm told every time I try to find one.

    Please tell me, what is the name and phone number of your local gun store?

    I see you live in Oregon. I live in S.W. Washington. If your local gun store has them in 9x18 nickel NIB, I'll certainly call them and probably drive there too.

    If I don't hear from you, I guess I can check all the gun stores in North Plains, OR. How many could there be?
     
  20. wbond

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    CZ-83s 9x18 NIB (including nickel)

    Makarov.com plans to order 24 NIB CZ-83s in 9x18 nickel and another 24 in blue from CZ-USA when they are at the Shot Show in Feb, 2006.

    The prices on blue will be $319. Wow.

    The prices on nickel will be $340 to $360. Pretty good.

    Carl is the guy whose running the CZ-83 show at Makarov.com.

    The nickel ones are a preorder deal only. If you want one, put in your preorder now. They'll be sold out in advance.

    Now all this said, if they get enough pre-orders before February 15th, then they can and probably will order more than 24 of the nickel.

    Contact Carl at Makarov.com for more info.

    Thanks from wbond.
     
  21. dairycreek

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    Bought my CZ about two years ago at Keith's in Gresham, Oregon. Saw the nickel model last about 2 months ago. Wasn't interested so did not inspect price. BTW no gun stores in North Plains although we do have a McDonald's.
     
  22. wbond

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    Which caliber?

    Which caliber did you see two months ago in nickel?

    NIB .380s are common in nickel and blue.

    There are a few NIB 9x18 blues available (less than a dozen nationwide).

    No nickel 9x18s at this time (that I know of).

    However, more 9x18s coming in March or April 2006 in both blue and nickel. Preorder now, if you want a 9x18 in nickel.

    Thanks
     
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    I have 380 blue CZ 83 and it's a great gun. We are restricted here in CA to that caliber and that finish in a new CZ 83. I can however, buy a 380 and have the barrel swapped out for a 9X18 and have the gun nickel plated.
    If you are recoil sensitive, the 32 ACP is the exact gun you need. While you may be able to handle a 380 or 9 Mak now the 32 will still be usable down the road as your conditon deteriorates. Remember that you will have good days and bad during the coming years. You will need a pistol that you can use effectively even in the worst of times. CZ also offers night sights for the CZ 83. HBE offers a good IWB holster.
     
  24. wbond

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    I own a CZ-83 in .380 blue. I have ordered two in .32 blue, two in 9x18 blue, and want to order 2 in 9x18 nickel and one in .380 nickel. However, I'm out of money right now. Also, I have to wait for 2 or 3 months until the 9x18 nickels are available.

    With regard to your advice about .32 ACP CZ-83, I agree. That's why I ordered two. One for shooting and the other for collecting. Not many of the .32s were imported, so I think they will be collector's items someday, along with 9x18 nickel.

    Has anyone ever seen or heard of a CZ-83 in .32 ACP nickel? Love to get one of those, but I've never even heard of one. So I'm not sure if they exist, or if they were imported.

    By the way, .380 is probably pretty good for warm-hot climates. Many South American police and citizens use .380s. I've heard that in one S. American country they use .32 ACP due to law restricting caliber. I've heard that these mouse gun calibers are pretty effective in hot climates where people wear thin shirts and no heavy coats. Also, heat increases blood loss when an injury occurs. So a .380 should be pretty effective in CA (I assume it's hot).

    In a colder climate, a .380 isn't much good (I've heard) because people wear heavy coats, which really reduce penetration a lot. Also, people will bleed much less when it's cold. So a larger wound is needed in cold weather to produce same effects, yet a smaller wound is likely since a heavy jacket is probably worn (reducing penetration).

    However, in CA, a .380 ought to be decent. In Alaska, or someplace cold, a .380 would seem rather ineffective.
     
  25. Car Knocker

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    There you go, assuming.:D

    A fair amount of California gets quite cold. Trains get snowed in, as do pioneer wagon trains. Caltrans has a huge budget for snow removal. I've seen snow in Los Angeles and freeze-broken water pipes in Sacramento. Woke up one morning to 30" of wet snow when I was living east of Auburn. Power was out for several days. There's more to CA than beaches and Disneyland.
     
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