powwowell
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I sold a P01 because: 1) the trigger made my trigger finger sore, 2) slide was difficult to rack, when compared to other 9mms I own and 3) the DA trigger reach was long.
CZ Pistol Dislikes - voice 'em
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CZs are great guns for the price. however the undervalued CZ price due to cheap eastern european labor is going the way of the do do. Now with their prices on the rise I do not think the CZ is as good of a value as it once was. Sure they make good guns, but while my P-07 duty at $375 is a nice gun, its not so nice at $599 (which is what they are running now).
At the new pricing I think I will look elsewhere.
At the new pricing I think I will look elsewhere.
TexasGunbie
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Which CZ are you talking about? I wouldn't get a polymer CZ because to me Glock is the King of polymer.
I have a CZ 75 P01.
I will give you both good and bad.
Good.
1 So far very reliable, feeds everything. Ran about 4000 rounds through it and still strong.
2 SA trigger is great.
3 The gun is beautiful, very good looking.
4 Love the look of the slide.
Bad
1 Some people complain the slide is hard to pull back, I don't have this issue. But my friend can't pull the slide back, so I am aware that the slide can be a negative.
2 Some complain there is no decocker... my CZ has a decocker though.
Even if there isn't a decocker, there is a safety, so carry it locked and cocked like a 1911.
3 DA trigger is long, which is the point of a DA trigger. Well if you chamber the round and drop the hammer, then you deal with the DA trigger. Even so, after the first shot, it's SA, so what you got to worry about?
I think CZ is among the best 9mm full metal handguns.
I have a CZ 75 P01.
I will give you both good and bad.
Good.
1 So far very reliable, feeds everything. Ran about 4000 rounds through it and still strong.
2 SA trigger is great.
3 The gun is beautiful, very good looking.
4 Love the look of the slide.
Bad
1 Some people complain the slide is hard to pull back, I don't have this issue. But my friend can't pull the slide back, so I am aware that the slide can be a negative.
2 Some complain there is no decocker... my CZ has a decocker though.
Even if there isn't a decocker, there is a safety, so carry it locked and cocked like a 1911.
3 DA trigger is long, which is the point of a DA trigger. Well if you chamber the round and drop the hammer, then you deal with the DA trigger. Even so, after the first shot, it's SA, so what you got to worry about?
I think CZ is among the best 9mm full metal handguns.
ol' scratch
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I don't like the trigger in my 75B, but I guess there are aftermarket parts. GREAT pistol otherwise.
Furncliff
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CZ75b...Out of the box trigger is gritty and generally poor. The poor man's fix is to pull the trigger 5000 times. It worked for me, although the double action pull is fairly long, at least it's smooth now. Next time I'll have someone massage the new trigger and I'll go with the SAO.. I've broken roll pins three different times. It would be difficult for me to part with it.
I love the Kadet conversion I bought on a whim, and I use it a lot.
I bought a freshly Duracoat'd CZ82 recently. My daughter really likes this one. I guess when you do one of these paint jobs you have to take it all the way down. That may be the cause of all the problems I'm having (slide locks back every shot, when it sometimes does cycle correctly, the hammer follows). But I like it and I'll keep after it till it runs right.
I love the Kadet conversion I bought on a whim, and I use it a lot.
I bought a freshly Duracoat'd CZ82 recently. My daughter really likes this one. I guess when you do one of these paint jobs you have to take it all the way down. That may be the cause of all the problems I'm having (slide locks back every shot, when it sometimes does cycle correctly, the hammer follows). But I like it and I'll keep after it till it runs right.
TexasGunbie
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Oh yeah... the take down is not as simple compare to other handguns.
Stasher1
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I had a P01, 40P, and 40B and paid less than $300 for each of them. They were great values at those prices, but at their current prices...not so much.
FWIW, I'm also blown away by the price of new Dan Wessons. I bought a brand new pre-CZ PM7-S from a dealer back in '04, I believe, and it was a little over $500. Hell, the retail on the CBOB's when they were first released was less than $700. CZ takes over, Bob Serva leaves, and the price goes through the roof.
Philo_Beddoe
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Their triggers often need work.
I sent mine to CZ custom for their trigger job and now its the best DA/SA i have felt lol.
Also my trigger return spring broke after about 10000 rounds but that was a real cheap fix.
I sent mine to CZ custom for their trigger job and now its the best DA/SA i have felt lol.
Also my trigger return spring broke after about 10000 rounds but that was a real cheap fix.
The take down is about as easy as it gets, assuming you can get two lines to line up. 
No take down latch to deal with.
Trigger definitely is long and sloppy.
I hate the painted finish. Wish they had a nice blue or black oxide.
I prefer the old rounded trigger guard.
Other than that a brilliant pistol if you like all steel guns. 9mm is like shooting 38 wadcutters compared polymer guns.
Too bad the price has gone up so much.
No take down latch to deal with.Trigger definitely is long and sloppy.
I hate the painted finish. Wish they had a nice blue or black oxide.
I prefer the old rounded trigger guard.
Other than that a brilliant pistol if you like all steel guns. 9mm is like shooting 38 wadcutters compared polymer guns.
Too bad the price has gone up so much.
I've just realized how d**ned hard it is to write any dislikes about CZ pistols. I have yet to shoot one which is less accurate than I am, have never had one break or FTF, have found that the triggers smooth in nicely with dryfiring/shooting etc. etc. The rest lies in your style of shooting and what aesthetics you like.
One thing I think most people are unaware of is that CZ makes pistols in all steel, alloy frames, polymer frames. In finishes of glossy blue, satin nickle, stainless, polycoat. In calibers of 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP. From fullsized weapons down to the little Rami. No other manufacturer that I know of offers this range of choice, and the quality is consistent from end to end.
Take a look here:
http://czcustom.com/cz-ub-usa-factory-pistols.aspx
I knew this would happen. Started off to write dislikes, and ended up in likes...............
Isher
One thing I think most people are unaware of is that CZ makes pistols in all steel, alloy frames, polymer frames. In finishes of glossy blue, satin nickle, stainless, polycoat. In calibers of 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP. From fullsized weapons down to the little Rami. No other manufacturer that I know of offers this range of choice, and the quality is consistent from end to end.
Take a look here:
http://czcustom.com/cz-ub-usa-factory-pistols.aspx
I knew this would happen. Started off to write dislikes, and ended up in likes...............
Isher
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I could offer two stock improvements.
1) Having a dual decocker/safety instead of either/or as standard or optional
2) Supplying a metal guiderod (trivial correction)
Other than that they are about as perfect and affordable as you can ask for in a handgun.
1) Having a dual decocker/safety instead of either/or as standard or optional
2) Supplying a metal guiderod (trivial correction)
Other than that they are about as perfect and affordable as you can ask for in a handgun.
When they were selling for $300 they were a great range gun. They were never a great choice for a SD gun, especially at over $600 now.
Heavy gritty SA triggers, extremely long trigger reach in DA.
Factory springs are always suspect and should be replaced.
Many problems with extractors.
Too heavy for a carry gun.
Narrow slide and tiny ejection port make it very difficult to clear malfunctions.
The safety lever is an improvement over the Browning, but not as good as 1911.
The grip feels good in the hands, but is the only gun I've ever seen where the beavertail curves down instead of up. It digs into the web between the thumb and trigger finger when firing.
They are among the most accurate pistols made, but have too many negatives to be seriously considered for SD. Still make a great, but overpriced range toy.
Heavy gritty SA triggers, extremely long trigger reach in DA.
Factory springs are always suspect and should be replaced.
Many problems with extractors.
Too heavy for a carry gun.
Narrow slide and tiny ejection port make it very difficult to clear malfunctions.
The safety lever is an improvement over the Browning, but not as good as 1911.
The grip feels good in the hands, but is the only gun I've ever seen where the beavertail curves down instead of up. It digs into the web between the thumb and trigger finger when firing.
They are among the most accurate pistols made, but have too many negatives to be seriously considered for SD. Still make a great, but overpriced range toy.
I am always amused by the 'too heavy' comments about the CZ. This is a fairly recent complaint that comes about because of the plethora of alloy and polymer guns now available. The Cz-75 (all steel) weight about the same as a Browning HP-35 and less than a 1911 full size. Of course I assume we are talking about a steel from 75 (2.2 pounds), since a P-01 is only 1.8 pounds, 6 ounces more than a GLOCK 19.
I shot and carried a CZ-75 for many years - my first was a ATF form 6 Canadian import before the Czech import ban was lifted. Heavy, yes - but no different than the 1911 I carried for years and the latter is not considered overly heavy by many. And very, very reliable.
I shot and carried a CZ-75 for many years - my first was a ATF form 6 Canadian import before the Czech import ban was lifted. Heavy, yes - but no different than the 1911 I carried for years and the latter is not considered overly heavy by many. And very, very reliable.
My CZ-75B is a nice gun, but not without flaws. With less than 200 rounds through it, the nickel on the slide rails is peeling/flaking off. I called CZ with my concerns, and they said this is normal and expected, because something about the way they do the nickel plating. Supposedly whatever coating they put on before the nickel is not applied to the rails, which will cause some pistols to lose the nickel on the rails quickly. Has not affected function, and CZ says it will not, but it is definitely corner cutting, and nobody likes to see the finish gradually flake off of their gun, even if it is "normal".
Also, the triggers are pretty sloppy in general. I didn't understand this until I had more handgun experience, but the CZ 75B trigger is not very impressive compared to other guns, even those at or under the CZ price point. The Omega trigger system CZ's are better.
I can carry a full-size 1911 more easily than my CZ-75B. It is a thick, heavy gun, ill-suited for carry. It is, however, extremely accurate and has been reliable. Mine still serves nightstand duty.
I loved the size, weight, reliability and accuracy of the CZ P-07, but sold it because it was gradually wearing small holes in my body with its sharp edges, and the lack of quality holsters made for it made the problem difficult to remedy. The lack of an aftermarket for the P-07 in general was frustrating. Oh, and lest I forget, a month after I bought the P-07, the white sticky strip peeled off of the front sight for no apparent reason. Apparently a common problem. When companies go so obviously "cheap" on such an obvious part of the gun, I am the type who can't help but wonder what other small parts they might have cheaped out on.
Overall, I like CZ's, but I am not as "into" them as I was when I first got into handguns. As the prices continue to go up, they seem like less and less of a value compared to other $500-$600 guns. The P-07 makes a viable alternative to the Glock 19 when priced at $400, but if the price continues to rise, there is no reason to choose CZ over Glock/M&P/XD, especially once you factor in maintenance, parts replacement, aftermarket upgrades, and holster selection. Spare mags alone will run you $50 apiece once you factor in shipping costs.
I think I am moving out of my CZ phase, like a lot of folks seem to do once they gain a certain amount of handgun experience. They are good guns, but not the amazing steals I once thought they were. And their shortcomings become more apparent to me as I become more refined and discerning as a gun owner. I'm not saying don't buy them. I'm just saying don't drink the CZ "kool-aid". You aren't getting a $1000 gun for $500, so don't go into it thinking you are.
Also, the triggers are pretty sloppy in general. I didn't understand this until I had more handgun experience, but the CZ 75B trigger is not very impressive compared to other guns, even those at or under the CZ price point. The Omega trigger system CZ's are better.
I can carry a full-size 1911 more easily than my CZ-75B. It is a thick, heavy gun, ill-suited for carry. It is, however, extremely accurate and has been reliable. Mine still serves nightstand duty.
I loved the size, weight, reliability and accuracy of the CZ P-07, but sold it because it was gradually wearing small holes in my body with its sharp edges, and the lack of quality holsters made for it made the problem difficult to remedy. The lack of an aftermarket for the P-07 in general was frustrating. Oh, and lest I forget, a month after I bought the P-07, the white sticky strip peeled off of the front sight for no apparent reason. Apparently a common problem. When companies go so obviously "cheap" on such an obvious part of the gun, I am the type who can't help but wonder what other small parts they might have cheaped out on.
Overall, I like CZ's, but I am not as "into" them as I was when I first got into handguns. As the prices continue to go up, they seem like less and less of a value compared to other $500-$600 guns. The P-07 makes a viable alternative to the Glock 19 when priced at $400, but if the price continues to rise, there is no reason to choose CZ over Glock/M&P/XD, especially once you factor in maintenance, parts replacement, aftermarket upgrades, and holster selection. Spare mags alone will run you $50 apiece once you factor in shipping costs.
I think I am moving out of my CZ phase, like a lot of folks seem to do once they gain a certain amount of handgun experience. They are good guns, but not the amazing steals I once thought they were. And their shortcomings become more apparent to me as I become more refined and discerning as a gun owner. I'm not saying don't buy them. I'm just saying don't drink the CZ "kool-aid". You aren't getting a $1000 gun for $500, so don't go into it thinking you are.
AKElroy
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Ummmm......Nope. I got nothin. Ohhh--The name is hard to pronounce hence the abreviation.
I can't really think of nay except I prefer the old style rounded trigger guard over the newer squared off one. However, I have a 75B and PCR which have the newer trigger guard so its just an personal, aesthetic issue which does not keep me from buying, shooting and carrying them.
Zundfolge
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One thing that has kept me from getting a CZ75 compact .40 is that you just can't find flat baseplate magazines for them ... what is the point of getting a compact if the stupid plastic baseplate makes the grip almost as long as a full size?
Here's what you get:
Here's what I want:
Here's what you get:
Here's what I want:
Sam1911
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OMG! Tell me you didn't just say that!
I'll have to respectfully disagree. I've polished and slicked up my Omega 75B extensively and changed springs to as light as I dare go. The SA pull is still creeeeeeeeeepy (and long) but the DA pull has become a joke among my shooting community.
One longtime Beretta (and CZ!) shooter asked to try mine. After bringing the hammer about 1/2 way back -- three times -- he gave up, set it down, and said he'd "better not."
My inquiries so far into improvements and/or gunsmithing have been fruitless. Apparently even Angus & Co. don't know how to fix the Omegas.
GojuBrian
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I love Cz75b's, they are just awesome overall.
The dislikes I had with mine:
1. Trigger
2. Sights
3. Slide serrations (too little)
Other than that it has great potential. The only other 9mm I would want is a Browning Hipower.
The dislikes I had with mine:
1. Trigger
2. Sights
3. Slide serrations (too little)
Other than that it has great potential. The only other 9mm I would want is a Browning Hipower.
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