CZ TT45 owners: how are they doing?

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I handled a TT45 at the toy show over the weekend and was impressed. However, I know the Witness Polymer that these guns are derived from has had a spotty history for quality. For those of you with TT45 or TT9s, how are they holding up? Any issues at all? Did any of you find out if Witness mags work fine?

Thanks in advance!

GR
 
Expanding your question

I want to know if TT45 mags work in the Witness Polymer .45 or CZ97B. CDNN has TT45 mags but no EAA Polymer or CA97 mags in stock.

I know CZ97 mags work fine in my Witness Polymer .45, but my Witness mag gives the ocassional failure to feed in my CZ97B. So I'd rather not buy any more EAA mags since they are not cheap and apparently not as good as the CZ .45ACP mags.

--wally.
 
Not derived from --That's what it is. Just partly assembled in the Czech Republic. And the CZ that has its name attached is NOT the CZ that builds and sells the CZ-75Bs sold here in the US.

All I've heard about them -- darned little, actually -- has been OK.

This company has the right to use the CZ name, which is associated with CZ Strakonice. But, CZ-Strakonice hasn't been in the gun business since the late 70's or early 80's; there were building heavy equipment and other machinery for the last 30 years or so.

Saw the same thing recently, when I bought a nice little factory-remanufactured family Home Theater System by Koss. (Cost me $125 for a 600 watt, 5 speaker system, with DVD player! Its good quality, too.) I don't believe THIS Koss is the same Koss that built wonderful systems 30 years ago. And then there was the Packard Bell of radio fame, and the Packard Bell of PC fame...
 
The TT handguns are not made by Česká zbrojovka a.s. Which the original CZ 75 and all the REAL 75 variants are manufactured by. They are imported into the US by CZ USA.

The TT handguns are made by The CZ Company CZ Strojirna, s.r.o. and appear to be polymer framed "clones" of the CZ 75 pattern. Much like the EAA witness, I would assume that the mags should be compatible to an extent, however I cannot be sure.
 
The frame looks to be pure Tanfoglio, but the slide looked pretty different than the ones I have seen on recent polymers. Based on what we have seen Tanfoglio do in the past with other end-makers of Tanfoglio based guns, I assume CZ-Strakonice was able to give basic specs for how they wanted the parts to be done. I am curious as to how inished the parts were when delivered. As you noted CZ-Strakonice has been making machinery, so would have some capacity for machining, etc. I am thinking this may be more like the relationship with Tanfoglio and IMI, where (from what I understand) parts are delivered in the white as per IMI specifications and finish milling is done in Israel. My experience has been that the Jericho line were far better in quality than the Witness line, despite their common origins in Italy. Interesting company, Tanfoglio. They seem to be willing to drop the bar as low or raise it as high as their buyers want them to.

GR
 
CZ-Strak has been out of the gun business, as far as I know, since the 1950's. As I understand it, the CZ-52 was the last pistol they produced. They had produced the CZ-50 and stopped production while they made the 52. When CZ-50 production started up again, it was at Uhersky Brod, not Strakonice. So, literally, it's been 50 years since they produced a firearm, if I am correct which oft is not the case.

The TT's, as I understand it, were completely made by Tanfoglio and then assembled in Strakonice. The designs of the frame are completely Tanfoglio, save for the CZ logo. Though I was under the impression the slides are completely different, with the lock-up in the ejection-port in the SIG manner.

Ash
 
The frame is the first Gen Tanfoglio poly frame.....its got the little trigger guard much like the first gen Bul frames that Kimber used in their poly line up.
Ive heard nothing good nor bad about the guns, but would be hesistant just for that reason..there just havent been that many sold.
Tan. makes some good guns....but me personally, I wouldnt help a company that rides the CZ name, meaning CZUB, and avertises as the "First Real CZ".
Just one mans opinion..............Shoot well.
 
Yeah, while CZ-Strak did come out with some good pistols, the CZ-50 and 52, they also came out with the dog of a pistol, the CZ-38, and had absolutely nothing to do with the CZ-75.

Of course, it is all academic as they are no longer being imported.

Ash
 
Cz- Tt45

Like this pistol, only problems I had is with the MEC-GAR 10 round magazines , so far have tried six different ones and all of them won't hold the slide open and needed to send them back to ADCO and they sent me new magazines that work fine. And the other is the trigger pull could be better. Use to the larger slides and took me awhile to get use to the slide. When I first got this pistol had a few Jams probably due to magazines problems and also needed to be broken in. have fired 500 rounds over the last few months without any problems. Would consider carrying concealed every day if need. Either you like this pistol or hate it. For a light 45 it's fairly easy to control recoil. There are better reliable ones and worse ones then the CZ-TT45. Bought mines new for $295 although I had to return the mags, came with a hit pattern data chart report from CZ STRAKONICE a.s., and two fired shells. If you bought a new CZ-TT45 and having problems with slide staying open or other problems you can contact ADCO Sales INC., 4 Draper St., Woburn, Mass 01801, phone: 1-800-775-3687 or contact your local dealer. Have also contacted MEC-GAR regarding problems with their magazines. Tanfoglio 10 round magazines work in the CZ-TT45. Have read gun magazines testing the CZ-TT45 and most stated that the gun was reliable and most groups at 25 yards were under 4 inches which is acceptable. I know at 10 - 15 yards you can drill half dollar size groups, and this is good enough for me. Test different ammunition and see which one works the best for you. have not had any problems with the polymer frame also seen no abnormal wear on any parts. Out of 500 rounds have fired 100 +P ammunition. So far so good.
 
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Cz- Tt45

I got in contact with Witness, and they stated that they do not make CZ-TT pistol firearms. Have tried magazines for the Witness pistols and they won't work at least the ones I have tried by MEC-GAR and Pro Mags. Does any one know of any place that sells magazines that will fit the CZ-TT45 looking to. I know cdnn sells them for around $24.00 each and they do work.
 
Witness doesn't make ANY guns. Witness is an importer.

Tanfoglio makes the EAA Witness guns. They also provide frames and parts for a number of other gun makers, including some of the Magnum Research guns.

I think Tanfoglio makes the frames for the TT guns -- as the frames are virtually IDENTICAL to the Polymer EAA guns. If you haven't tried them, the mags for Witness POLYMER gun probably will fit -- but mags for their steel guns won't. (But that true for the EAA guns, too: mags for polymer guns imported by EAA won't work in their steel guns, and vice versa.)

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The TT guns are assembled in the Czech Republic by a company using one of the original CZ firm's names. This "new" company has no real connection (history or technological ties) with the CZ firm that made rifles or handguns -- although they claimed to be the "original" CZ.

The firm whose name the importer is using was making motorcycles and heavy equipment before they shut down; all rifle and handgun production having previusly been moved to CZ Uhersky Brod, which makes the current CZ line. (Sort of like the folks who built "clone" PCs using the Packerd Bell name -- they just bought the name, and built their own thing.)

As I understand it, the importer has discontinued the TT line and will be importing CZ-clones based on guns made in Turkey.

If you have one, you need to HOPE they are based on the EAA Polymer line, otherwise you may be SOL.
 
Ya.....what everyone said! :D

Tanfoglio makes finished guns and raw frames...much like S&W does for the 1911 market. Witness guns are not made by EAA.....Walt nailed it.

The TT lineup is hoping the name CZUB/CZUSA has given "CZ" in the states will allow it to ride on its coattails.

To those who have the gun....I hope you like them. But I wont buy one just because of the unethical advertising they use...........

Shoot well.
 
Cz- Tt45

ADCO Sales in Woburn, Massachusetts has been selling the CZ-TT line, they never mentioned anything about being discontinued. Most pistols are a clone of one thing or another and most are based on John Browning design or slight improvements. If parts break and can't be found. There is a gunsmith in my area that makes parts if unable to find them. Only thing I don't like is the trigger pull in SA/DA could be better..
 
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Folks who have called ADCO, recently, were told by the folks in customer service there that the TT is being discontinued. The CS people also said that ADCO will soon begin importing the Turkish-made CZ clones that we've seen on various forums, recently.

Why do you think these guns showed up at CDNN? CDNN is a close-out discounter.

The same type of gun -- the Witness Polymer -- sells for $25-$50 less at CDNN, too.
 
Cz- Tt45

Have fired some of the Witness pistol and have had feeding problems with some of them. I had a Witness Polymer compact that made a great paper weight. Would pay the extra money for the CZ-TT45 didn't need any extra polishing of the feedramp etc. maybe I was just lucky?. Has anyone had problems with this pistol?
 
Cz Tt45

Put another 500 rounds through my CZ TT45 only problem I had is with MAGTECH Guardian Gold 230 GR. HP. +P ammunition, had several hang ups when I tried using slide stop release, but had no problems when manually releasing slide, problem did go away after I fired the first 20 round box Had no problems with 480 of 500 rounds fired.
I see no abnormal wear on parts. For lubrication I used Sentry Solution HI-SLIP Grease on slide and frame rails and FirePower FP-10 gun oil. Shooting groups at 25 yards is less then 4 inches on most ammunition tested. Possible rounds were getting caught on slide stop? Purchased five boxes of MAGTECH Guardian Gold 230 GR. HP +P to retest.
 
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Liquidation CZTT45acp

I bought a CZ TT45 this weekend for 299.99 and shot 150 rounds through it with no problems. If you can find them, buy them as they are a good, cheap semi in 45 acp.
 
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lawyerboyleslie said:
I bought a CZ TT45 this weekend for 299.99 and shot 150 rounds through it with no problems. If you can find them, buy them as they are a good, cheap semi in 45 acp.

Good price, I contacted ADCO in Massachusetts they are no longer selling kits for this gun, they stated that the company that makes CZ TT45 are having internal problems and ADCO won't be buying any more kits or parts until the company fixes it's internal problems. If you need parts like extra recoil springs, guide rods, slide stops you may want to buy before ADCO sells out and expect these three parts to cost over $45.00 and $9.00 for shipping. Only problems I had with ammo is Magtech and Golden Saber by Remington other then that have not had any problems.
 
Cz tt

I own a CZ TT45. Most of the info on here about CZ is wrong. CZ Strakonice, which makes the TT, was established as a branch of the Škoda Works Armament in Strakonice, Czechoslovakia in September 1919. Originally called "South Bohemian Armament Works" ("Jihočeská zbrojovka"). The company merged with an arms manufacturing plant in Vejprty and with a factory in Prague in 1922. This gave rise to the formation of a stock company whose name translates as "Czech Armament Works in Prague of the Manufacturing Plant in Strakonice". CZUB (which CZ USA is the importer name of) was established in 1936 as a branch of the Česká zbrojovka Armament firm in the small Moravian town of Uherský Brod in Czechoslovakia, now in the Czech Republic. CZ Strakonice is still in business. It's part of Luvo Prague Ltd. Thier website is www.luvo.cz. They make various VZ 58s in semi only and selective fire, available in 7.62x39, 5.56 NATO and .223, sniper rifles, and M16/M4 type rifles with selective fire. They are not riding on the coattails of CZUB. It is an older company, just not as popular. The last part of the names of the two companies comes from the town they are from.
 
The history is there, to be sure. Check their website and you'll see all the gun they produced. You'll also notice that the CZ-75-based dsign is NOT on that list. Surprising omission, don't you think? They had nothing to do with its development or production, until recently.

Both of the CZs were branches of the same company, many years ago. Various sources will tell you that the other CZ, CZ-Uhersky Brod, took over most of Czechoslovakia's firearm production after WWII, with Strakonice doing some pistol work -- mostly CZ-50, CZ-70, and CZ-52 guns. The bulk of CZ-Strakonice product work was devoted to heavy equipment and motorcycles.

The CZ-75 (and the basis of the TT design) was never one of Strakonice's guns, yet the gun we saw attached to their name during the time ADCO did the importing, was the 75. Capitalizing on a great design and growing prominence. Their only connection in recent years, was indirect, when it appears they imported Tanfoglio frames and finished assembly with Czech-made parts for export by ADCO.

They stopped exporting the TT models in 2006; the export of the rest of the "CZ" design guns had been discontinued in 2004.

There's a good summary history in the Fjestad Blue Book of Gun Values. The name "CZ" basically means "made in Czechoslovakia" (or, now, "made in the Czech Republic"); any gunmaker in the Czech Republic probably can incorporate the CZ title into its nomenclature. They can't all claim a gun-related history.

There was nothing wrong the with TTs I've seen. They did have some teething problems at first, but most of that was apparently resolved. But that was the case with the Tanfoglio-pased Witness Polymer guns, too. (Interesting parallel.) The TT guns all appeared to be close copies of the Tanfoglio CZ clones, and share only a general similarity to the CZUB models. (They appear to be nothing like the CZ polymer models, which are a much newer design.) The newer CZ/TT guns aren't available in the U.S., so I doubt few here have even seen them, except in pictures.
 
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The real story of CZ

The CZ TT and CZ 75 are not the same gun. They do not even look a like. I own a TT and nowhere does it say on the gun, in the manual, or on the gun case anything about being based on the CZ 75 or a copy of it. On the gun case it says the original CZ. On the back of the manual and on the sealed envelope, dated 2004, that has the casings from the factory when it was test fired, it has the manufacturer listed as CZ Strojirna s.r.o. with an address in Strakonice, Czech Republic. The hit pattern chart that came with it has the manufacturer listed as CZ Strakonice a.s..

In 1936 with war approaching, the company relocated to Uhersky Brod, since Strakonice was about an hour drive from Austria and Germany. In 1954, for safety, the entire firearms production was moved to Uhersky Brod. In 1989, the Uhersky Brod plant became independent and continued to use the original trademark until 1992, when they registered their own - CZUB. CZUB is imported into the U.S. by CZ USA.

When CZ Strakonice production resumed in 1990, the company was divided into several divisions and firearms were allocated to CZ Strojirna Ltd..

LUVO Prague Ltd. (LUVO Arms) took over firearms production from CZ Strojirna Ltd. in 2006. The company continues to use the trademark CZ in a circle. This is the trademark on the CZ TT.

The original CZ - CZ a.s. - does not make firearms anymore. This company split off firearms production two different times. It is just like other companies that sell off divisions of themselves.

The initials CZ do not stand for Czech Republic. It is the initials of the company - Ceska Zbrojovka. Some Yugoslavian guns also had CZ on them, which was the initials of Crvena Zastava. Now called Zastava Oruzje, some refer to it as Zastava Arms. Zastava also made the Yugo car that was imported into the U.S..
 
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CZ TTL-45 Owner

The CZ TTL-45 Has been my go-to gun for over a year now. Among other things it's been reliable, accurate and extremely easy to shoot. I've had no reliability issues whatsoever (the thing runs like a champ). The only issue that I have is parts, since ADCO stopped distributing it's difficult to get what i want. EA witness .45 mags work great and I've had no problems ordering those online. I've contacted Luvo (the czech company who makes the gun) for more information on obtaining extra parts and gun accessories. For those of you looking the FN.45 holster seems to be a pretty good fit for the CZ.

In short, i love this gun and i can't say enough good things about it. It's a shame the company couldn't get their act together and really distribute parts properlly or they'd have a winner on their hands. Granted it's not striker fired but i'd take this gun over an XD.45 any day of the week, love that double action trigger!:cool:
 
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