CZ75b or Baby Eagle 9mm?

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Hello all - I've been set on getting the CZ75b, but recently held a Baby Eagle 9mm and it felt so good in my hands. I'm considering going for the Baby Eagle now instead. I know the Beagle is a clone of of the Cz, but I'll have to say I'm more drawn to the aesthetics of the Beagle. Has anybody shot or owned both of these pistols? If so, how do they compare in terms of quality and accuracy? Also, what would be better for resale value?
 
CZ has a pretty solid warranty and customer service organization. Don't know what you'll get if the Baby Eagle has an issue - might be worth lookin' into before making the purchase....
 
BEs are nice guns...

1) Is is the slide safety? Probably is, and this can be a detractor
2) CS and parts could be harder, and support in the holster and accessory realm is even worse (CZ is JUST catching on).
3) It is a bit heavier with a full length dustcover.
4) May have polygonal rifling - may not be an issue if you don't use cast bullets.

But, they tend to feel VERY good in the hand, and are very reliable, accurate guns. They also make a SLIM girpped 10 round 45 - which if I could find one with a frame safety would be mighty attractive.
 
cz has a longer warranty, but if you bitch and complain enough with MR, you'll be more than happy with what you get. I also perfer the BE.
 
License built copy???

I did not know that CZUB gave anyone a license to build the CZ75. I do believe that the BE WAS basically made by Tanfoglio and I think fassembledd and finished by IMI.
 
I don't like DA/SA guns, even more so when the safety/decocker is on the slide. The CZ75 will do cocked and locked so it was a no brainer for me to get the CZ and ignore the Baby Eagle.

--wally.
 
Fwiw ...

A Baby Eagle I handled at a gun show recently had a hopelessly long, unusable trigger reach for me, and the safety was also difficult to manipulate. A CZ75 gives you the option of a single-action first shot with the trigger to the rear and a frame-mounted safety that is easier to operate.
 
I had Baby Eagles but sold them in favor of CZ's, primarily due to the safety on slide vs safety on frame thing. Not to mention the mags are cheaper. BE's have better build quality (no tool marks on inside of slide, smooth trigger out of the box, stainless steel barrel). CZ's come stock with the options I want (rail, night sights, 22lr conversion available). The CZ trigger smooths out with use (especially if you have a 22lr conversion) so don't worry about that.
 
I have a Beagle 9mm, full-size steel frame. It's a nice shooting gun, that's for sure! It's heavy, but it reduces the recoil very nicely. It is definitely very accurate, and is the only gun I can group well with out to about 20 yds. My only gripe, as others have stated, is that it's DA/SA. I wish, now, that it had the C&L feature that you can get on the CZs. I came across it and got it for a pretty good deal- didn't want to pass it up. Anyway, if it had the C&L feature, then I'd probably use it for IDPA...I shot my first match a while back and had a blast. That DA pull is too long for my liking, but SA is sweet. Oh, one other thing; the finish seems, um, weak? I feel like if I breathe on it that it'll scuff up! I've never shot a CZ, but seeing as how they're nearly the same gun, I'd bet CZs shoot as well as my BE. :D
 
CZ would, of course, have better resale value. Magnum Research imports the BE, last I heard and I've not heard any complaints. Either b/c the guns are not having problems or b/c their service is exceptional, I don't know which. BE have always struck me as a bit overdone in a Ruger sort of way. Quality, I would dare say is about even.
 
I have a full size Beagle in 9mm. Fit and finish are very good. It is purely a range gun so functioning only DA/SA w/ a decocker does not bother me. Double action was very heavy and stiff out of the box but the single action was good. After detail stripping, polishing of internals, and a lighter mainspring, the double action trigger is better.

The CZ and the Beagle both fit my hands well and I would certainly prefer a traditional cock and lock safety on the frame if I was competing or carrying concealed. The only version of the Baby Eagle you can purchase now is decocker only, so it really makes no difference at all where they place the safety. I don't use it very often.

My gun has been extremely reliable, easy to shoot, accurate, and has left me without regrets. I still want a CZ but I like how the Beagle looks and it makes a heck of a range gun, and probably a great duty pistol. It is a very stout pistol.

Also, all of my Magnum Research 9mm magazines hold 16 rounds, not 15 as advertised. I wouldn't choose a gun based solely on the ability to carry a single extra round but it's nice to know.
 
As a daily shooter I would go with the CZ, though I like the look at the BE.
 
Hmm….

I know it’s subjective but the BE and 75 look an awful lot alike, at least to me. Both are good looking guns but frankly the 75’s the better looking of the two. I’m glad I’ve got my 75s, I suggest you do the same.
 
Both great guns. A buddy just bought a BE9, and the thing shoots 2" high at 25', no different factory sights available to correct POI. I didn't care for the slide mounted safety, but the trigger was better out of the box, than my CZ. I like the BE, but wouldn't get one myself.
 
The Baby Eagle is a license built copy of the CZ-75.

Where does the ikipedia say anything about "Licensed" clone? Nearly all of the guns cited are rip offs. (I think the earliest SWISS guns [ATs] may have been licensed.)

The BE was first buillt byTanfoglio, and finished by an Israeli company. Tanfoglio's design was a rip off, developed by ex-CZ employees who had gone West. Tanfoglio never got approval from CZ, etc. (They started building them before the Iron Curtain began its fall.)

The TT CZs were the same way -- Italian clones finished in the Czech Republic.

The Turkish-made guns, were (years ago) made under license from Tanfoglio, and have since gone their own way. They look like CZs, but aren't CZs, and none of them are really "Clones" in the truest sense of the term. Just "looking like" is what makes a gun a clone.

I don't know of any CZ-licensed copies, now -- most of the ones out there are made by Tanfoglio, which is a subtly different design. (Generally simpler in design to lower production costs.) Parts between the Tanfoglio guns generally don't interchange with CZs. Parts betweem the BE and most Tanfoglios may (sometimes) interchange.

The BE is a good gun. Magnum Research's Customer Service has been quite good, and when I've called with questions, have been very responsive. I prefer CZs, and don't like the slide-mounted safety... but its a good gun.
 
Both great guns. A buddy just bought a BE9, and the thing shoots 2" high at 25', no different factory sights available to correct POI.
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Any aftermarket fixed/adjustable sight intended for the Tanfoglio pistols will fit the dovetail on the BE's slide.

My new 40S&W full-size BE shot about 5" high and right at 25 yards when I bought it a few years back. Drifting the fixed rear sight merely corrected the windage, but the elevation problem persisted.

Earlier this year, I came across someone selling an LPA adjustable rear sight for a pittance on eBay. I bought it and installed it on my BE. Sight regulation problem solved! :D

Here's a thumbnail of the LPA sight on my BE; click on it for the full-size image:

th_Jericho_941_LPA_Rear_Sight.jpg
 
Have 3 Baby Eagles. Well 2 Baby Eagles and 1 Jericho model with the slide mounted locked and cocked safety (like the CZ). All good. Very accurate though 2 print a tad high (inch or so). All are 9mm all steel models. The semi-compact version is definately the smoothest of the three and definately the more accurate of the 3.
 
I have a baby eagle .40 and it is a great gun, i like the asthetics better than the cz-75. noth are good guns but the feel and look of the baby eagle has my vote. Mine has been very reliable.........although expect a breakin period.
 
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