CZ82 Smoothbore??

[kirkcdl]

Ordered a CZ82 from SOG,it arrived yesterday.It's a smoothbore,not even any signs of rifling ever being there.I called SOG,talked to Becky,she checked with the warehouse and told me that all the 82 pistols were like that.I called ATF to verify,I'm waiting on them to get back to me.

Anyone else have a CZ82 from SOG?What is the condition of the bore?Thanks...

 

[JJ Hiryuu]

I believe the CZ82 uses polygonal rifling. It's there, it just appears smooth. There are quite a few guns that use this type, though it isn't exactly common.

Try putting a stiff bristled cleaning brush down the barrel, you should be able to feel the turn of the rifling, or try slugging it.

 

[usp9]

What he said.

 

[Trebor]

The polygonal rifling looks much different than what you are used to seeing. Trust us, it's not a smoothbore. Shoot the pistol and you'll see for yourself.

 

[JohnKSa]

I called ATF to verify

Not advisable, IMO. I hope you can get the lid back on that can of worms and FAST.

 

[Ivy Mike]

Not advisable, IMO. I hope you can get the lid back on that can of worms and FAST.

aww, c'mon now. The ATF is full a honest and reputable people.

actually, they usually answer any question honestly and completely.

 

[JohnKSa]

Depends on how the question's asked. Calling the ATF to tell them you just bought a smoothbore pistol (an NFA item) has the potential for stirring up some real "fun" for both you and the person who sold it to you.

 

[Cortland]

Yeah, a smoothbore pistol is an AOW regardless of the bore diameter.

That's why short barrelled pistol grip shotguns are AOWs. If it's a .410 you can get around this by using a rifled barrel, but on anything larger the ATF is then able to call it a DD.

 

[asknight]

Cortland, what about the new Taurus 4410 revolver? It's available in either a 2.5" or 6.5" smoothbore barrel and will shoot 410 bore shotgun and .45LC ammo.

 

[Cortland]

26 USC sec. 5845(e). defines an AOW as:

"...any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive, a pistol or revolver having a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell ... such term shall not include a pistol or revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition."

Taurus website shows several 4410 models. I noticed one listed a specific twist rate and some number of grooves. Another model listed no twist rate and zero grooves (i.e. smoothbore). It may be (and I think it would have to be) that Taurus is selling the smoothbore as an AOW and the rifled version as a pistol. They may also be selling the AOW version to other countries where smoothbore pistols are not so restricted.

 

[RyanM]

Taurus website shows several 4410 models. I noticed one listed a specific twist rate and some number of grooves. Another model listed no twist rate and zero grooves (i.e. smoothbore). It may be (and I think it would have to be) that Taurus is selling the smoothbore as an AOW and the rifled version as a pistol. They may also be selling the AOW version to other countries where smoothbore pistols are not so restricted.

I really doubt that. http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=500MSS2&category=Revolver Oh, look, a smoothbore .500 S&W!

I remember seeing some model of .357 that had a 0" barrel length, and another that weighed 0 ounces. The other variations of the model had the correct info. They aren't that good at updating their site, apparently.

 

[Deanimator]

Talking to the BATFE was probably a very BAD idea. A cop once contacted them to find out what he should do about his AR15 that was doubling because of a broken trigger mechanism. They of course prosecuted him.

 

[The_Antibubba]

What constitutes rifling?

If I were to put 2 grooves at a 1 in 24 twist, for a 6" barrel, would that legally be rifling? IOW, what is the legal parameters of rifling?

 

[JohnKSa]

My understanding is that if the barrel has detectable grooves or if it's polygonally rifled, you're ok. Twist isn't required as far as I know, so you could put a groove or two that run straight down the bore and be fine.

You might have a hard time selling straight polygonal rifling (no twist) unless it was really obvious just because it can be hard to see polygonal rifling by looking in the bore.