CZ99 .22lr ?
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chicharrones
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I have a pair of those Zastava rimfire rifles from Serbia, but marked differently on the receivers.
One is a .22LR Remington Model 5 and one is a .22 WMR Zastava MP22. They are the exact same thing as the CZ99 marked guns, except the Remingtons came with a nice laminated wood stock in the adult models.
They may need a little tuning on the magazines, and most people want to refinish the stocks, but they are very accurate field rifles with ammo they like.
Here's a recent thread with the two Zastavas in my home. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=776548
Here's an older article on a .22 WMR MP22. http://www.realguns.com/articles/422.htm
One is a .22LR Remington Model 5 and one is a .22 WMR Zastava MP22. They are the exact same thing as the CZ99 marked guns, except the Remingtons came with a nice laminated wood stock in the adult models.
They may need a little tuning on the magazines, and most people want to refinish the stocks, but they are very accurate field rifles with ammo they like.
Here's a recent thread with the two Zastavas in my home. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=776548
Here's an older article on a .22 WMR MP22. http://www.realguns.com/articles/422.htm
chicharrones
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Here's a photo of the receiver markings.
chicharrones
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The Zastava dovetail mount width is 11mm wide. That Williams WGRS 54 sight is sized for American dovetails of 3/8" wide. You'll have to use a set of small files to widen the Williams to fit.
The Zastava front sight should work with .22LR. There are a few Zastava owners over at Rimfire Central that have installed that Williams sight and it works with the Zastava front sight.
The Zastava front sight should work with .22LR. There are a few Zastava owners over at Rimfire Central that have installed that Williams sight and it works with the Zastava front sight.
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I have spent a lot of time shooting a Remington Model 5 in my youth. You won't be disappointed with it. Very accurate and looks great.
Well I broke down and ordered one from J&G today for $189 delivered. Thought they looked good at Cabelas for $279 so when I found the deal at J&G I ordered it. Pics and range test to follow once I get it. Plans are to install a Williams WGSR peep on it.
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I bought one of the Zastava .22lr's when they were being imported by Charles Daly and were called the Superior II. Since then I've seen them sold by a few different names. The mags are a pain and do check out the rimfire central site for more info.
A real nice little field .22, accurate and inexpensive. I was so impressed with mine that I bought another one (allegedly for the wife). The metalwork is some of the best I've seen in recent years - but the wood was horrible, with a military mud brown finish. I've since refinished the stock on mine.
A real nice little field .22, accurate and inexpensive. I was so impressed with mine that I bought another one (allegedly for the wife). The metalwork is some of the best I've seen in recent years - but the wood was horrible, with a military mud brown finish. I've since refinished the stock on mine.
chicharrones
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Picked up the new rifle from my transfer dealer last night. Wood looked nice, blued finish was very good. Pulled action from stock, rubbed stock down with steel wool and applied first coat of BLO...looks real good. Told a couple guys at a Gallery League Banquet about it and they were all VERY interested in how it shoots. Sooo... I was going to do a range test this morning. Planing on pulling the scope off my CZ452 but figured I'd do a quick trigger cleanup before heading to the range.
Started to unscrew the trigger screw, was coming out nice and easy then sheared off.
Flipped the gun over and noticed a DEEP small diameter staking mark in the threaded end of the screw. :banghead:
Checked Numrich and they are sold out of this part (wonder why?). Might be able to drill the center of the remaining screw out and tap it for a #2 or #4 screw and put a round head allen in from the other side.
Started to unscrew the trigger screw, was coming out nice and easy then sheared off.
Flipped the gun over and noticed a DEEP small diameter staking mark in the threaded end of the screw. :banghead:
Checked Numrich and they are sold out of this part (wonder why?). Might be able to drill the center of the remaining screw out and tap it for a #2 or #4 screw and put a round head allen in from the other side.
Checked the diameter of the trigger pin/screw and found it's slightly larger than a #6 machine screw. Tried slipping a piece of teflon shrink tube over the screw and shrinking it, almost identical size, mmm? Decided to drill out the broken screw, tap the trigger support for a #6, sleeve the screw the length of the original screw shoulder and install. Worked great Trigger has no side to side play and moves smoothly. This will tied me over until GunParts gets more trigger screws in stock (or may be forever).
Modified a 'Plinkster' magazine this afternoon, easy mod, great feeding mag.
Gun shot great I'll post targets later tonight.
Trigger has no side to side play and moves smoothly. This will tied me over until GunParts gets more trigger screws in stock (or may be forever).Modified a 'Plinkster' magazine this afternoon, easy mod, great feeding mag.
Gun shot great I'll post targets later tonight.
sappyg
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I'm breaking out the popcorn as I type.
Cabela's has had them for $279 for a few weeks now. They look very well made. The wood is awesome too though there is no finish whatsoever.
Cabela's has had them for $279 for a few weeks now. They look very well made. The wood is awesome too though there is no finish whatsoever.
aarondhgraham
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Why the price difference?
sappyg wrote that Cabela's has them for $279.00,,,
But J&G has them for $169.00.
Are they not the same rifle?
Aarond
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sappyg wrote that Cabela's has them for $279.00,,,
But J&G has them for $169.00.
Are they not the same rifle?
Aarond
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chicharrones
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Same rifle. Cabelas has them priced as when they were called the MP22 and had a different importer. I think the Remington Model 5 rifles went for the same money as the Cabelas pricing.
I'm not sure why JG Sales is so much lower. I guess they bought a lot of them and got a huge discount or they are just blowing them out at "internet" pricing? Maybe a bit of both.
Actually Impact Guns has them for $189 with $9.99 shipping. Cabelas is just really proud of them, heck they almost got me to bite at $279. That's what they are hoping for, impulse buyers. At some point they'll run a sale at may be $229, ooooh save $50.
aarondhgraham
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J&G gets them from Century Imports.
J&G gets them from Century Imports.
I sent them an e-mail asking about warranty support for that rifle,,,
They replied this:
Sir,
J&G Sales has a 30 day return policy, however we can only exchange or offer a refund, we do not perform any repairs. Century has a one year warranty and can perform repairs.
Aarond
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J&G gets them from Century Imports.
I sent them an e-mail asking about warranty support for that rifle,,,
They replied this:
Sir,
J&G Sales has a 30 day return policy, however we can only exchange or offer a refund, we do not perform any repairs. Century has a one year warranty and can perform repairs.
Aarond
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So what good is a warrenty if they service it like Tauras does. Knock on wood but in 40+ years of shooting none of my .22's needed warrenty work. I plan on picking up an extra extractor and firing pin though...cheap insurance.
I'm tempted by the ones at Cabela's, even at their price (the shops around here charge a lot for transfers, so the advantage of buying one from J&G isn't as big as it should be). I need another 22LR like a moose needs a hat rack, but we all know how that is.
The quality of machining and finishing on the metal looks first-rate, and I hear nothing but good things about the accuracy. I also like the idea of finishing the stock to my own taste. The only reason I hesitate is that a Savage costs about the same and also has a very good reputation for accuracy. So, how do they compare?
The quality of machining and finishing on the metal looks first-rate, and I hear nothing but good things about the accuracy. I also like the idea of finishing the stock to my own taste. The only reason I hesitate is that a Savage costs about the same and also has a very good reputation for accuracy. So, how do they compare?
chicharrones
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I was looking seriously at the lower end Savages when I got my second Zastava. The thing that killed it for me was the F model stocks that come in that lower price range. IMO, the F stock is going to need some sort of cheek riser to work with a scope well.
Below are some comparo pics I put together back when I was making up my mind. The Zastava stock has a higher comb and works well with a low mounted scope.
The other thing is the Zastava receiver is short for the caliber. Look at the magazine placement compared to just about any other rimfire bolt gun out there. The Zastava magazine is nearly right at the front of the trigger guard. It's not a real big deal, but it kinda irks me when I look at the design of some rimfire rifles.
Of course, getting Savage parts should always be easier than getting Zastava parts.
chicharrones
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Like ford8nr said, the Zastava rimfires have an 11mm groove. You can use most regular American 3/8 rings that clamp from the side. That's because they have some "fudge factor" built in and can make up the difference between 3/8" or 11mm with the clamping system.
Examples -
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/671071/burris-1-rings-22-rimfire-matte-medium
http://www.opticsplanet.com/leupold-3-8-ring-mounts-57405.html
I've used both styles on my two Zastavas with success.
Unless something is changed, the receivers are not drilled and tapped for other scope mounts.
More or less the same rifle has been sold as the Charles Daly Superior II, the Remington Model 5 and now as the Zastava CZ99. The Remington has a laminate stock.
They are nice little rifles, especially for the money. The "oil finish" on the Charles Daly version means that the stock was dunked once in used motor oil, but they are easy to refinish.
They are nice little rifles, especially for the money. The "oil finish" on the Charles Daly version means that the stock was dunked once in used motor oil, but they are easy to refinish.
Old world craftsmanship. Beautiful blueing. Real wood fitted nicely. Adjustable trigger. Accurate beyond expectation - mine's a tack driver with Federal match ammo. Think I paid $149 some years back when CDNN was selling them as CD lls. IMO, at the price points they go for, what's not to like?
Someone mentioned magazines - I found a source years back but had to get creative searching the net. Then, Cabelas had them OK to back order and I picked up a few more. The replacement mags I got are not as nicely finished as the ones that came with the rifle, but they work fine. FWIW.
Someone mentioned magazines - I found a source years back but had to get creative searching the net. Then, Cabelas had them OK to back order and I picked up a few more. The replacement mags I got are not as nicely finished as the ones that came with the rifle, but they work fine. FWIW.
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