Czech Republic and its requirments to get a gun licence

[Idahou]

Dont worry, its not a lobby, just interesting article.

Only reasson why im posting it here is because in my time on this forum quite a lot of ppl asked me about gun laws in Czechia (home of CZ guns) and i was planning to write something about that

Well, Washington post did it faster and probably better. I did read the article, its neutral and just infomative - take it like that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...lMJZpdzBI4tVDuG66-93x6q9HydL3bARZAFWlyz3gDICI

Just three notes:
1) It sounds little bit difficult than it is, but thats mostly because diffrent social and cultural aspects like healt care system
2) You need to just field strip gun at practical test - its not that clear in article, but law specify it as "striping gun nesserilly to make basic cleaning"
3) Completing all exams means you get "gun licence" which last 5 (for profesional use) or 10 years (civilian owner, hunter, collector), after that you have to just present new medical review (just doctors note that you arent absolutly mad, blind or something like that). You can buy as many guns as you wish as long as you have proper safety storage and register tham within 10 days after purchase

 

[herrwalther]

Read the article. Far from neutral. They make many attempts to say the Czech system is right and the US system is wrong. US has shootings, Czech doesn't etc. I have a hard time retaining the factual or interesting parts of a story when there is so much bias.

 

[AlexanderA]

The key question from the article is this:

What if anybody who wanted a gun had to first prove their competence?
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This may be OK for a culturally homogeneous population like that of the Czech Republic, but not in a diverse country like the U.S. I can see the tests being abused to exclude ethnic minorities, etc. They would certainly put a premium on scholastic attainment, and being able to successfully take tests.

And this is somewhat circular: the cultural diversity is one of the factors that cause the high U.S. homicide rate in the first place.

 

[Will Munny]

The key question from the article is this:

What if anybody who wanted a gun had to first prove their competence?
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This may be OK for a culturally homogeneous population like that of the Czech Republic, but not in a diverse country like the U.S. I can see the tests being abused to exclude ethnic minorities, etc. They would certainly put a premium on scholastic attainment, and being able to successfully take tests.

And this is somewhat circular: the cultural diversity is one of the factors that cause the high U.S. homicide rate in the first place.

Its really not okay even for a country like that, not if you want to enjoy the benefits the 2A is supposed to provide. But the idea that the US should be following the lead of Europe on firearms of all things is really hilarious.

 

[MikeInOr]

I was having dinner with my girlfriend and a select group of her friends a while back when the topic of guns came up. I was shocked to hear that every single one of these women had been trained IN PUBLIC SCHOOL how to load, shoot, make safe and strip a 22 pistol as part of their regular schooling when they were young teens. The concept just blew me away. My GF grew up in Russia and the select group were all from Russia or other eastern block nations.

(2 years of military service is also mandatory in Russia for every male at the age of 18. Which is where Putin is currently getting his canon fodder from.)

 

[Will Munny]

I was having dinner with my girlfriend and a select group of her friends a while back when the topic of guns came up. I was shocked to hear that every single one of these women had been trained IN PUBLIC SCHOOL how to load, shoot, make safe and strip a 22 pistol as part of their regular schooling when they were young teens. The concept just blew me away. My GF grew up in Russia and the select group were all from Russia or other eastern block nation.

(2 years of military service is also mandatory in Russia for every male at the age of 18. Which is where Putin is currently getting his canon fodder from.)

Unlike the US, Russia has firsthand experience with fighting a real war for its homeland and it shows. Your average public school student in the US would be worthless in combat.

 

[AlexanderA]

I was having dinner with my girlfriend and a select group of her friends a while back when the topic of guns came up. I was shocked to hear that every single one of these women had been trained IN PUBLIC SCHOOL how to load, shoot, make safe and strip a 22 pistol as part of their regular schooling when they were young teens. The concept just blew me away. My GF grew up in Russia and the select group were all from Russia or other eastern block nation.

Legacy of WW2. But in the end, the firearms training is for the purpose of serving the State, not for personal self defense.

 

[reddog81]

Having to pass a bunch of tests to obtain a gun makes as much sense as requiring those tests in order to vote.

They think being able to remember the max temperature you can store gun powder at will decrease criminal activities???

If a criminal has access to firearms I’d prefer they have as little training as possible.

 

[Old Dog]

The article quickly lost me at

In an America riven by gun violence, with recent mass killings at a Walmart in Virginia and an LGBTQ club in Colorado, weapons can often be purchased without even a background check. With the country divided about even the smallest changes to gun laws, the question is only hypothetical: What if anybody who wanted a gun had to first prove their competence?

It appears that several of our last "mass killings" were carried out by folks who legally procured their firearms and passed background investigations. Indeed, the Violence Policy Center says 37 mass shootings -- not that we agree with VPC's loose definition of "mass shootings" were carried out by concealed carry permit holders between May 2007 and May 2022. Presumably many in states that required training.

Having to pass a bunch of tests to obtain a gun makes as much sense as requiring those tests in order to vote.

Judging by the current quality of our elected officials, perhaps we should be requiring tests for the right to vote.

Doesn't seem to me that the Czechs really believe it will decrease criminal activities; it rather seems that their government believes they can achieve a nationwide level of responsible gun-ownership. Perhaps in a more homogenous culture the state can more effectively legislate morality. But it'd be a fair bet that the criminals in that country are not going to jump through the legal hoops to obtain firearms when they decide to do so.

 

[JERRY]

The more homogeneous a population the less violent it is within itself. Czech republic cannot compare to the vast diversity of America.

 

[Riomouse911]

Unlike the US, Russia has firsthand experience with fighting a real war for its homeland and it shows. Your average public school student in the US would be worthless in combat.

Hell, probably 1/4 of them are worthless in the classroom.

I get the idea, here in Ca we have to jump through hoops to buy a gun or ammo. But anything written by the Wa Post is always going to be slanted, and this is as well. It goes well with the Colion Noir piece on the blatantly racist NJ Dem who said people from certain cities should not have guns. (Guess those cities demographics, eh?)

Violent crime has still skyrocketed here in Ca cities because our “leaders” decided that decriminalizing crimes committed by real crooks is good for society. So, further demonizing the law abiding gun owner with onerous restrictions that crooks ignore must be good, too.

Stay safe.

 

[MedWheeler]

MikeInOr writes:

I was having dinner with my girlfriend and a select group of her friends a while back when the topic of guns came up. I was shocked to hear that every single one of these women had been trained IN PUBLIC SCHOOL how to load, shoot, make safe and strip a 22 pistol as part of their regular schooling when they were young teens. The concept just blew me away. My GF grew up in Russia and the select group were all from Russia or other eastern block nation.

My wife was 13 years old when her "old country" broke apart, leaving her growing the rest of the way up in the Russian Federation. She was made to shoot an AK-47 as part of a "motherland protection and survival" course. It was inside a high school gymnasium; I'm assuming it was loaded with rubber projectiles from what she tells me.

 

[westernrover]

The big difference is in the Czech Republic, the government may give the people the right to bear arms.
In the USA, the people have banned the government from infringing on their bearing arms.

 

[Ignition Override]

Have you guys compared the CCW process in the Czech Republic to the rest of Europe?

Czechia seems to be the only country (in Europe) which allows regular citizens to have a process to carry.

Apples to apples, not oranges. I've never seen any mention of this possibility in other Euro lands.

 

[redcon1]

The last thing we want is for our civil rights to be contingent upon the opinions of psychologists. They have a long history of prostituting themselves to the government in order to facilitate the repression of citizens and in America as well as Europe. They absolutely can not be empowered in this way and just in case there's any doubt as to what this kind of policy would turn into here in America, here's Eric Swalwell, the guy, nay, the US Representative that thinks it's cool to talk about using nuclear weapons against US citizens laying it out for you. Can you imagine a political tool like this empowered with a gun control tool like that? No thank you.

 

[MachIVshooter]

Have you guys compared the CCW process in the Czech Republic to the rest of Europe?

Czechia seems to be the only country (in Europe) which allows regular citizens to have a process to carry.

Apples to apples, not oranges. I've never seen any mention of this possibility in other Euro lands.

"Have you compared the torture machines in this dungeon to all the others? This seems to be the only one where you have the possibility of surviving with most of your limbs still attached"

Best of the worst ≠ good.

 

[AlexanderA]

In the USA, the people have banned the government from infringing on their bearing arms.

In theory.

 

[AlexanderA]

Have you guys compared the CCW process in the Czech Republic to the rest of Europe?

Czechia seems to be the only country (in Europe) which allows regular citizens to have a process to carry.

Apples to apples, not oranges. I've never seen any mention of this possibility in other Euro lands.

The Czech Republic is in a unique position in Europe, geographically and culturally. The people there have the law-abiding mentality of northern and western Europe, and at the same time the skepticism of government of the southern and eastern Europeans. Therefore, they want their guns, but are willing to go through all sorts of hoops to get them.

I just spent a month over in Greece. The gun laws there are strict -- even prohibitory -- but are widely ignored. In some parts of the country, Crete being a prime example, gun ownership is a longstanding tradition. And the Cretans don't register their guns. The authorities pretty much leave them alone unless they murder someone.

So you have to look at the laws on the books, and then you have to look at the actual practice. The two can be widely different.

 

[kwguy]

When the situation is deemed necessary by the .gov, those “rights” can be taken away with the stroke of a pen. And since those weapons are registered, enforcement won’t be much of a problem.

 

[Riomouse911]

When the situation is deemed necessary by the .gov, those “rights” can be taken away with the stroke of a pen. And since those weapons are registered, enforcement won’t be much of a problem.

Years ago you could ask an Australian about that… or a little while ago a New Zealander…now today, a Canadian. They will wholeheartedly agree.

Stay safe.

 

[strat1962]

"Shall not be infringed" I believe that scraps the idea that this would fly here in the US.

 

[Remington1911]

The article was about as interesting as some of the comments, and it is real clear many in this country know what is really going on in Europe.

I do agree the article was VERY biased, but I can see how someone from the Czech republic would think it was. The slight handed way the author attacks our right is real clear to anyone that has their nose close to what is going on in this country. His bias is very clear.

It would never work here for the same reason other things along this line don't work here. I will attach an old video that will prove my point.

 

[westernrover]

In theory.

It's not theory. It's black-letter law in the highest law of the land. This doesn't mean that infringements don't happen. Just because murder happens doesn't mean that people's right to life is only "in theory." The existence of injustice doesn't nullify the law, but it proves the necessity of the law. Increasingly, we're seeing unlawful infringements overturned by the arbiters of constitutional law. We've also seen a very substantial increase in concealed carry practice within US culture. In any republic, there are opposing forces vying for influence of public opinion over any given issue. The US is uniquely the only nation where gun rights carry substantial favor within the populist sentiment.

 

[Ignition Override]

AlexanderA:

Yes, very unique people, especially for what most here call “Euros”. We visited the Czech Republic 27 years ago.

My previous comments , which should have been —clearer—, about their resistance to the EuroCrats’ pressures to try and reduce the Czechs’ gun freedoms,
were probably misinterpreted .

My comments were only meant to point that out- within the Euro Zone context.

If I were a Gun Theory Class Required, or FUDD justifier (I detest them- and highly prefer reading theAKfiles)…. there never would have been multiple semi-auto 7.62x39 rifles , a few PTR-91s and carry guns in my home.

 

[Speedo66]

Judging by the current quality of our elected officials, perhaps we should be requiring tests for the right to vote.

Judging by the current quality of our elected officials, perhaps we should be requiring tests for the right to run for office.