Dad was (is) right all along...

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It's funny, Dad taught me how to shoot on an old Ithaca 49 lever-action single shot .22, for my 16th birthday, he gave me a Marlin 25 7-shot bolt action .22....

I appreciated and loved that rifle, but in my heart, I "knew" semiautos were "better", every time I took that 25 out to shoot, part of me was wishing it was a 10/22, 10 shots, semiauto, just plain cool.....

Fast forward to adulthood, (I'm 40 now), thankfully, Dad is still with us, he no longer shoots for fun, just the occasional dispatching of a woodchuck with his Ruger Single Six....

He's given me full reign of his gun cabinet, all manual action guns, the aforementioned Single Six, a couple break-barrel shotguns, a falling block .22 Short Stevens heavy barrel, the aforementioned Ithaca 49, and a Winchester '94 in 44/40

Most of my guns are manual action as well, break barrels, pumps, revolvers, and bolts, but of course, I *DID* have to pick up a couple semiautos, just to buck the trend, a Ruger 22/45, a Kimber Custom II, and a Ruger 10/22......

I've never really been completely happy with the 10/22, this current one is my second one, the first one had an absolutely horrible trigger, and I traded out of it, my current one has a slightly better trigger, but still not very good, heck, my Marlin 25's trigger is better than the Ruger's...

I know I could upgrade and tweak the 10/22 to my heart's content, but I really don't want to, I'm of the mindset that a gun should just shoot right right out of the box, and not require a nearly complete rebuild to make it servicable, I bought the gun used for around $175ish, and I can't see spending more than I paid to get the gun shooting "right", when my Marlin 25 does it right already, and has had *NO* tweaks, aside from being scoped, the only advantage (for *me*) the Ruger has over a good boltgun is ammo capacity and faster follow-up shots, but since 99% of my shooting is killin' paper targets, quick followup shots are not necessary, and it goes against my ingrained training (thanks, Dad :) ) of making *each and every* shot count

Even stranger, whenever I shoulder a semiauto, be it a 10/22, a Marlin 60 or 795, a Remmie speedmaster, Savage 65, AR-15 or any of the myriad of semiauto long guns I've tried, they just feel somehow, vaguely "wrong", I have no way of describing or quantifying this feeling, to me, a semi just feels wrong, like something is "missing", but put me behind a break-barrel, a bolt, a pump, or a lever, and I immediately feel at home, the gun just feels *right*

I think that what I feel is "missing" from the semiauto is the interacting with the gun during the eject/load cycle, a semiauto removes that factor of control from the shooter, instead of the shooter ejecting the spent shell and reloading a fresh shell, the gun does it itself (strangely, the M-1 Garand is the only semi that I don't get a "this is wrong" feeling from, maybe I'm just one of those "old souls"? ;) ), and I miss that little bit of interaction with the gun, a well made bolt, lever, or pump feels like a finely tuned machine, precise and smooth, a semi's bolt slamming back, spitting out a shell with reckless abandon, and crudely *jamming* a new one into the chamber feels slightly "rough" and "unrefined"....

(that's probably also the reason I only own manual transmissioned cars, as I hate automatics, too boring, I want *control* )

Y'know something..... Dad was right all along, for my purposes, a manual action gun is just plain *better*, I don't hunt small game, so followup shots aren't necessary, besides, if I can't make the hit with the first shot, I shouldn't be shooting it anyway, somehow, he knew that getting me that Marlin 25 would be the right thing to do, that I really wouldn't have been happy with a 10/22, the temptation to spray-n'-pray would be too strong

Heck, I've even made the final decision to trade off my last 10/22 towards a nice used CZ 452 bolt action, far more accurate, and has that precise Swiss timepiece feel to it, and more accuracy, solid steel construction, real walnut stock

If I ever feel the need for another semiauto .22, I can pick up a decent inexpensive Marlin 60 or 795 anyway, but I may not feel the need for a semiauto .22 for a long time, as I love my manual actions

Dad, you were right, thanks for starting me off the right way, with that great little Marlin 25 :)

....strangely enough, I *don't* get that "this is wrong" feeling from my semiauto handguns though, mainly because Dad never really let me shoot his revolver as a child and teen, not sure why, I have always been a safe and responsible shooter, he just never let me shoot the revolver, so, when I was old enough to own a handgun, I started off with a Ruger Mark II and a Taurus 689 .357, semi or revolver? my answer on that is "both, please" ;)
 
Yeah, my Pre-warning 10-22 Deluxe Sporter came with a trigger that felt like it was welded to the frame---a quick trip to my local gunsmith fixed that---now around 3 lbs---added an extended mag release a Volquartsen bolt release plus a surplus sling I brought for $2 at a gunshow (green from a UZI Model A) and its a perfect field gun.
 
To each their own...I grew up being told that semi-autos were unreliable, inaccurate, etc. Now, I reach for a semi-auto for just about everything short of deer hunting (and I've successfully taken several deer with an SKS). Along the way, I learned that a lot of the myths about reliability and accuracy were just that...myths, with little basis in reality. AS for the 10/22, yep I have one, but wasn't at all disappointed with it. While "adaquet" in its orignal form, I knew....before I ever purchased the rifle, that it was going to be aproject gun. Sure, it "worked" out of the box, and did everything I'd expect a semi-auto .22 to do. It was FAR from "unserviceable" in its orignal configeration. However, in its current configuration, I can shoot one hole groups with bulk ammo with boring regularity, and I can take some pride in the fact I turned an "ok" rifle into an awesome shooter. I have high capacity clips, but learned long ago that a semi auto is no equilizer for a poor first shot. I don't spray and pray anymore with the Ruger than I do my Marlin 881 bolt gun. Everyone has their preferences. My usual preference is for a guns that go bang, personally, regardless of action!
 
I have a few auto-loaders...a 10/22, MKII pistol, a couple of 1911's and an SKS, along with the US Rifle Cal .30 M1

Mostly, though, I am a "old-timey traditional weapons" kind of guy...Ruger Vaquero, Blackhawk, Single-Six in handguns (and a Pietta repro of the 'Navy Colt' BP revolver). Rummaging around on the rifle section of "Foggy's Artillery Locker" I find a Mosin-Nagant M-44, A Marlin 30AW in .30-30 and a Mossberg ATR-100 .30-06...oh yeah almost forgot the Lyman 'Trade Rifle'..a .50-Flintlock.

shotguns....hmmmm Mossberg 500 12-Ga and a Maverick 88 Maverick is the HomeLand Security shotgun..18-1/2" cylinder choke barrel.

I don't own a single-shot of any type, but I'm gonna hafta get SOMETHING in that line...
 
When the shooting focus evolves to accuracy and you derive pleasure from shooting tiny clusters of holes, you tend to move toward manual action rifles. That does not change the fact that I still enjoy shooting semi-auto firearms. Regardless of action type, I try to shoot them well.

My Dad was almost always right on important stuff even if I didn't want to admit it sometimes.

I like all kinds of firearm actions. The pump action is probably my least favorite except for shotguns.
 
For me it doesn't matter. I take just as much enjoyment out of any given gun regardless of how it works.

Maybe he should have started you out on a rifle that had a horrible trigger. Then you would have learned how to shoot one accurately and you could love what you have. Though a nice light trigger aids in shooting accurately, it definately doesn't guarantee great shooting. I know people that were spoiled by great guns and are unable to enjoy other guns because they can't hit crap with them. To me, that says more about the ability of the shooter than it does about the gun despite all the "this gun is crap" comments I hear.
I look at it like baseball. If you swing your bat with a heavy weight on it before you get up to bat, it will be that much easier to swing it with the weight off. If you learn how to love and shoot a "crappy" gun first then you will be that much better with a nicer one. If you learn on the nicer one first, it is going to be that much harder to retrain yourself to shoot a "crappy" one.

Maybe I am biased as I am buying a 10-22 for each of my kids for their first gun.
 
Allow me to clarify…
I don't hate semiautos, I just like manual actions better

I've given .22 semiautos chances to make them like me, two different 10/22's and two different Marlin 60's, they were great fun, but I kept going back to my bolts

Right now I have the chance to pick up either a CZ 452 Lux or FS used for a good price, but in order to do so, I have to trade in my 10/22 to bring the price down to my self imposed price cap

I know at some point I'll be adding another semiauto .22 to the collection, but as it stands right now, I can safely trade out of the 10/22 without missing it

CZ 452 vs. 10/22? that's a no brainer, 452 FTW

I'm sure my semiauto urges could just as easily be sated with an inexpensive used Marlin semi
 
You will find that you will probably want to install a trigger kit on the CZ 452 in case you have never shot one. Get the CZ 453 if you want to leave the trigger factory.

I'd keep the 10/22. You'll still want to warm it up later from time to time.

I also agree if you start out with a rifle with a poor trigger and learn to shoot it well, you are better off in the long run. You can shoot a rifle with a poor trigger well; it just takes effort.
 
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I just recently gave my son an old Marlin Model 25. The first time we took it out we took my 10/22 also. He likes the Marlin better, I guess he has an old soul too.

You are right, a good scope is all it needs.
 
I like them all. And a horrible trigger can really make you dislike a gun. But it is a 10/22 and they are very well known to have a heavy trigger. But it is a 10/22 and for $30 you can buy a hammer and install it in less than ten minutes if you take a nap in the middle. So get out and fix it. If you Marlin had a heavy trigger, and they do, just not as bad as the Ruger, would you take ten minutes and a few bucks fix it or just trade it off?

My first time shooting was with a Marlin 88 semi auto and a Savage 23A bolt. I prefer semi auto in just about everything.

There is also nothing crude or rough about how a semi auto works. They are actually far more sophisticated and have to have more precise machine work (on certain parts) than a bolt because they HAVE to cycle on their own with fairly precise timing and they DO NOT lock up. That is a lot of design work to keep you from losing an eye.
 
I think that what I feel is "missing" from the semiauto is the interacting with the gun [...]

For fun shooting I absolutely agree. Well said. for that specific reason I got myself a lever action .22 for plinking. Not a semi.
Now if only they made a bolt action .22 where you don't have to cock it every time.
 
MacTech, I know just what you mean.

I started out with a BB gun, and that's pretty dadgum manual right there. When I was 12ish my dad and I went and "Borrowed" Grandad's Remington Model 41. I say "borrowed" because I still have it. Grandad's still around, he just doesn't seem to want it back. :)

In the rifle cabinet, here's what I have:

Remington Model 41 Targetmaster: Singleshot, bolt action .22. Disturbingly accurate, and 70+ years old. In the family since at least great-grandad.

Remington Model 12CS: Pump action, .22 Remington Special. Dad brought it back from the family cabinet in Kentucky. I've cleaned it up and restored it, and given it an honorable retirement.

Winchester 1894 Antlered Game Model: Lever action 30-30. Gifted to me from Dad. New in box, never been fired, never will be fired. My brother got a similar rifle in 38-40.

Pistol Side:

Ruger Bearcat: Single action .22 revolver

1851 Colt Navy Sheriff: .44 Cal cap and ball revolver

1858 Remington New Model Army: .44 Cal cap and ball revolver

Smith and Wesson model 637: Exposed hammer .38 cal double action revolver

Shotgun:

Remington model 870.

There's more guns in my armory, but those are some of my favorites. There's some semi-auto's in there too, but with the exception of my Marlin model 60 and my S&W 3913, not many get shot very often.

Out of 13 total guns, 8 are manually operated. I know what you mean....Dad was right. This is coming from another "old soul"- I'm 21 and like it better simple.

Oh, and PS......Revolvers rock.
 
I grew up shooting a Marlin (Glenfield) 9 shot Model 60 carbine, and a single shot Stevens 20 gauge with the stock cut down.

I guess to each their own is correct. I would not have wanted it any other way for my .22 LR. It was fun to rattle off 9 shots at cans, spent 410 shot shells, etc.
I also would not have wanted any other shotgun. Learning to line up shells in between my fingers and break the gun open, throw the shell in, and pull the hammer while shouldering to bust off a few squaks running from tree to tree was mighty fun.

IMO what was wrong is you wanting a 10/22.. LOL :) Just kidding.
 
Well maybe it's just because I'm still too young to realize all the lessons taught to me by my dad, but semi-autos are by far my favorite kind of gun (of the kinds I own) because they are just plain cool. Especially all the assault/battle rifles that are readily available. For hunting, I still use my model 70's (.243 and .270), however, that may change, as I have been eyeing a Browing BAR in .300 win mag or .338 win mag.

Maybe someday I'll change my mind someday, but for now, I'd rather burn through a 20 or 30 round mag in a matter of seconds than spend time operating a bolt all day at the range.
 
I was on this kick way back, from the moment I turned 18 to about 22 with thinking semiautos were the end-all, be all. Most all my rifles are semiauto, including the .22, but I've toyed with the idea of trading my Marlin 60 for a 22/20ga rossi matched pair. Traditionally, I've been a pump-action shotgun guy, and favor revolvers over the semiauto pistols I've had in the past. A quality manually operated gun I think can be better than a semi-auto and it forces the operator to conserve ammo. Since the great amoo shortage seems to be mostly behind us, I still am anxious with how difficult/expensive ammo got there for a bit. Which do you feel more adequate with, an AK with 60rds or a .30-30 with 60rds? I think the .30-30 would give the AK a run on ammo conservation. This may be a rounabout way of saying practical does work, sometimes tactical, especially when cheaped out, just doesn't.
 
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