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Dallas Police Officer Slain by Illegal Immigrant

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This is just one more tragedy to inforce the need for tougher treatment of illegals and the businesses that hire them. Instead of spending all the taxpayer money on trying, convicting, retrying and reconvicting all the appeals that come with a death penalty case I think it would just be best to deport this guy back to Mexico. On a side note anyone know how big a trebuchet you would need to clear the Rio Grande?
 
alduro said:
Just thought you guys may find this interesting...A Dallas Police Officer was slain in the line of duty today by an illegal immigrant who had been arrested 2 previous times yet not deported. I'm sure he was only filling a job that an American wouldn't do. :banghead:

Bush calls the Minute Men vigilantes...Bush has failed us as conservatives. Does anyone have the Minute Men website where I can donate to the cause. I'm giving $100.00.

Meanwhile, this slain officer was 28 years old, had been married for 2 months and on the job for 5 years. He is the first officer slain by homicide in Dallas since 2001. Pray for his family.


I don't believe you.

You and that damned corporate-&-GOP-controlled media are lying.

You are all a bunch of racists.

Undocumented immigrants are good, decent hardworking people who are just taking the jobs Americans won't do.
















:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
focus

Just as a gun is not responsible for the evil men use them for, how can we blame INS, GWB, or anyone else but the person who committed the crime?

Blaiming others only detracts from the issue that a human did something reprehensible.

We need to focus on what was done and not be distracted by maybes and might have beens.

dzimmerm
 
Well, Bush encourages illegal immigration and has it in his power to greatly stem the flow, if he chose to. He doesn't. That makes him at least partially responsible. End of story.
Biker
 
Just as a gun is not responsible for the evil men use them for, how can we blame INS, GWB, or anyone else but the person who committed the crime?


You can't be serious. They had the guy twice on 4 crimes. (the two he committed while being here illegaly both times)

I can blame them for not doing their jobs and letting this guy loose among honest citizens.
I can blame them for not doing what we elected and pay them to do.
I can blame them for not punishing this guy the way they would any legal citizen.
I can blame them for breaking the law by not upholding the ones we already have on the books.
I can blame them for putting their own lust for money and power above right and wrong, the law, and the wishes of those who put them in office.

I can blame them, and I do.
 
Erecting a huge fence and minefield along the border will dissuade all but the most commited of migrant farm workers.

Let Mexico keep it's greatest natural resource.
 
Yes you can

But what good will it do?

Most times an individual has to make a choice based on incomplete information.

We are looking back on what happened with our 20/20 hindsight.

What we need to focus on is prosecuting the person who killed the officer.

I also think there are parallels with blaming people not directly responsible for the killing of the police offcer with liberals blaming firearms for deaths of innocents.

It is true that people can make decisions and be held responsible for those decisions. However, taking your comments one at a time.

"I can blame them for not doing their jobs and letting this guy loose among honest citizens."

Did "Them" know all about what the killer had done? Could "Them" have reasonably known what the future will hold?

"I can blame them for not doing what we elected and pay them to do."

"Them" are elected by a majority of voters. Suddenly you and your opinion of what should be done is applied to others who I have not heard from. You can still have your opinion but in all fairness you can't know what other's opinions agree with yours.

"I can blame them for not punishing this guy the way they would any legal citizen."

If "Them" applied the law unfairly then they should be held accountable for that. We would need statistics showing how their decisions in the case of this one person varied from decisions over all other people they had made decisions about.

"I can blame them for breaking the law by not upholding the ones we already have on the books."

Selective enforcement of the law is a bad thing. I have to agree with you there. Was the law broken? Most prosecuters have quite a bit of discretion in which cases they choose to prosecute. Lack of evidence or witnesses can be a major factor. Many people who are willing to talk to a reporter are unwilling to appear in court. Are you willing to spread your blame to those who are too scared to appear as a witness in a courtroom? In theory we all have a responsibility to appear as a witness or a jurior when called on by our society. In practice we often avoid our responsibilies. Are we all to blame?

"I can blame them for putting their own lust for money and power above right and wrong, the law, and the wishes of those who put them in office."

A person who loves power will have to please a majority of people to stay in office. A person who loves money will have to be successful at their job to maintain their income. Right and wrong are not always obvious until after the fact. You are saying that those in power allowed this one person to stay free in our country because by doing that they will continue their accumulation of money and power. You are saying those in power broke the law and broke faith with those that elected them.
How would someone who treated their voters that way stay in office? Can your blame now spread to every single person who votes to keep anyone in office that was in anyway responsible for allowing this person to remain in our country?

"I can blame them, and I do."
Yes you can. We verses them. Our tribe verses their tribe. White against brown. Rich against poor. Red verses blue. South against north. Smart against stupid. Young against old. Gun lovers against gun haters.

But what good will it do? If you want to be effective in accomplishing certain goals then you must remove distractions such as pointless blame that does not help you in achieving your goals.

Being in a pro gun community only guarantees that the others in that community agree on being pro gun. It guarantees nothing else.

I can understand being upset about what happened because in hindsight it appears to be 100% preventable. Unfortionately we can not go back in time and tap everyone responsible on the shoulder to let them in on what we now know. If the killer of the policeman is allowed to flee to Mexico it will be due to lack of focus on what he did. I would suggest placing your blame squarely on the one person who caused the death of the policemen, not on the failings of our society and its elected and appointed officials.
 
Of course I blame the guy who did it. But, by blaming the others, my hope is to prevent this, and the countless other crimes perpetrated by illegals, from happening again.

Simple fact is, this isnt the first time, and probably not the last, something like this will happen. And it could have been prevented had those in authority done any of the things I blame them for not doing. Had they done their jobs, like they should have, that young man would likely still be alive today. What will you say next time this happens? Then it will be, what the millionth time an illegal has come here to commit crimes? When can we start blaming these people for not securing our borders and protecting the people? We blame prison officials and politicians for letting criminals loose in our society. Isn't this about the same thing?

What good will it do? It increases my activeness in trying to get this problem addressed.

Also, have you ever met someone in favor of open borders in this age of terrorism? Clearly they are not following the wishes of the people who elected them. No, they are answering to someone else. Lobbyists, big business owners who line their pockets? Whomever or whatever it is, it's not who it's supposed to be, is it?

I understand your points but what they are doing is wrong, and it isn't getting any better. How many people must die, how much property stolen or destroyed, how much drain on social programs, how thin can they spread teachers, before something is done? Before they simply enforce the laws that We The People have voted for and pay them to enforce? What will it take? Dirty bombs in our back yards? Collapse of the economy?
 
dzimmerm,

It is the President's job to enforce the laws passed by Congress and that includes immigration laws, thus far has has shown a complete unwillingness to do so and IMO that constitutes a violation of his oath of office. We don't like the idea of an open border because we don't want just anyone waltzing in and harming our nation and people, just like this scum has done.

Answer me this: suppose you lived in a gated community with security personel hired to keep predators out, one day you come home and find your family murdered by someone the security people neglected to keep out, is the murderer the only person to blame? He certainly is to blame but he also should not have been in your house in the first place, why did security not do it's job?

Now, I shall take your comments one at a time.

I also think there are parallels with blaming people not directly responsible for the killing of the police offcer with liberals blaming firearms for deaths of innocents

No, the reason why this comparison is invalid is because a firearm is an inanimate object with no will of it's own, the people in our govt who profit from illegals at the general expense have will and choose not to do their job. This is essentially an act of commission in a crime.

Did "Them" know all about what the killer had done? Could "Them" have reasonably known what the future will hold?

Their job is protect the border and expell people that have made it through, that is all.

"Them" are elected by a majority of voters. Suddenly you and your opinion of what should be done is applied to others who I have not heard from. You can still have your opinion but in all fairness you can't know what other's opinions agree with yours

We are not a democracy, we are a Republic with laws, and last time I checked we still have immigration laws. Laws don't vanish simply because someone might feel a certain way, they go away because Congress votes to repeal a law, they have not done so.

If "Them" applied the law unfairly then they should be held accountable for that. We would need statistics showing how their decisions in the case of this one person varied from decisions over all other people they had made decisions about

Statistics? Are you serious? "Hmmm, you are here illegally, get out" That is about all INS should be doing with illegals and applying the law.

es you can. We verses them. Our tribe verses their tribe. White against brown. Rich against poor. Red verses blue. South against north. Smart against stupid. Young against old. Gun lovers against gun haters

Oprah is on at 4pm on TV, she doesnt post here.

But what good will it do? If you want to be effective in accomplishing certain goals then you must remove distractions such as pointless blame that does not help you in achieving your goals

I have a feeling he will do more than just blame, if he talks even to one person about the problem he is working towards fixing it. Most people need to get angry about something before they take action.
 
It's time to make examples out of some of these criminals. Right now there is no incentive for them to obey our laws. That has to change or it will only get worse.
The sad thing is nothing will change until it gets worse- A LOT WORSE.

Anyway, lets hope this schmuck doesn't make it back to Mexico or he's free ... just like the illegal who killed a Denver cop and ran back to Mexico. His own grandmother turned him in, but the Mexican government refuses to allow extradition of anyone who might face the death penalty or life in prison without parole!
That’s makes me sick.

I would suggest placing your blame squarely on the one person who caused the death of the policemen, not on the failings of our society and its elected and appointed officials.
So things like contributing circumstances, shared liability and negligence should be thrown out the window? Who cares about the cause when you can blame the effect- I like things simple, but that’s too simple.
 
Right now he's in the the Dallas County Jail. If we don't try to have him executed, the Mexican government won't even bother themselves with the case.
 
dzimmerm, a peaceful society is a package, not a collection of disparate pieces. Insofar as the Dallas LEO, he was in part a victim of the failure of many levels of both elected government and law enforcement.

We're not controlling our borders. We are irrational in how we're handling illegal entrants to this country. We are inefficient and illogical in how we handle criminals within the overall criminal justice system.

Sure, that individual murderer is directly responsible. As far as I'm concerned, I mildly regret the passing of "Regular, or Extra Crispy?" But the big-picture causation is the overall failure of the entire governmental structure that is supposed to maintain a peaceful society. (Or, rather than "supposed", I guess I could have substituted "in theory is required")
 
elected official is presumably one of the jobs notre americanos won't do.
 
Call these criminal aliens anything you want, but please try not to use the legitimate noble term of, "immigrant".

Maybe you prefer Morris Dees' term "Latino traveler?"

I'm frankly surprised at the patience of the American people under the circumstances. The elites are really testing our patience.
 
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