daniel defense torture test

Daniel Defense torture test, true or fake?

  • It's True.

    Votes: 34 63.0%
  • It's Fake.

    Votes: 12 22.2%
  • Not sure.

    Votes: 8 14.8%

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    54
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This thread is fake. In fact, my post in this thread is fake. I ought to know because I typed it on a fake keyboard connected to a fake computer and sent it over a fake LAN through a fake ISP and to this fake forum. Anyone viewing this post is a fake. You FAKERS!!:evil::D
 
This thread is fake. In fact, my post in this thread is fake. I ought to know because I typed it on a fake keyboard connected to a fake computer and sent it over a fake LAN through a fake ISP and to this fake forum. Anyone viewing this post is a fake. You FAKERS!!

Best post ever!
 
I'm no explosives expert...

No. You're not.

On the other hand, I've employed explosives professionally for over 35 years.

Dissimilar explosives & charge configurations deliver wildly different performance with regard to detonation velocity, effect on target, visual hallmarks, and blast wave.

M80s are not dynamite or even TNT. They are simply fireworks. If you understood explosives, you'd understand why your trash can launched and that rifle didn't.

That was a low order blast from a small charge of Tannerite, detonated in the open air. Visually impressive, but not especially powerful.

I am certainly not going to start something with Vickers over it.

Then don't bother posting about it.
 
Because we would put him in a position to have to defend something that isn't defensible IMO. I'm no explosives expert but I've seen enough to know that an explosion that large would blow things back if it hadn't been for the fact that the explosion went almost entirely straight up and had very little explosion affect to the sides. My knowledge of explosives comes from M-80's as a kid (quarter stick of dynamite) and other explosions I've seen over the years including one about the same size as that explosion that was inside a dog food processing plant (a small place designed just to process meat to send to the factory). There were animal parts spread in every direction for 50 yards or more and I'm talking large animal parts like half a pony here, a big chunk of a cow there, etc.. I have photos of that somewhere. I've seen the results of very large explosions too that were directed at dirt because they occured underground. It was a pipeline explosion in fact and it blew boulders the size of cars for half a mile. It blew out a hole 30 foot wide and 30 foot deep (essentially the area that was dug up to bury the pipeline) up the entire side of a hill (about a quarter mile long) and shot debris for miles in some cases. The flash was seen 125 miles away. Explosions can be VERY powerful. That explosion in the video was powerful. I'll point out one other explosion I saw just for reference. It was at a dance with a live band playing. They liked to end their show with a small pyrotechnic event. They had pots where they loaded flash powder which was loud, bright but not particularly powerful in other ways. But on this particular night one band member loaded the pots and then another band member loaded the pots. The explosion came as the drummer was doing a drum solo at the end of the last song they played. The rest of the band had left the stage already. It's a good thing too. The drummer was blown backwards about 8 feet into a wall and his drum kit and half the mic stands on the stage were blown out onto the dance floor. That's a very good representation of how an explosion can react IMO and just for the record that could well have been me on that stage since I was the drummer for that band for a while. And that was a MUCH smaller explosion than the one in the video. Something was very, very fishy about that rifle laying that close to the explosion site with the post lying right beside it. You might notice that the base of that stand/post was mangled/knocked loose from the post. Yet the gun which wasn't attached except by a sling was lying right beside the post. The sling was also broke in two which would require a substantial amount of pressure exerted on the post and rifle in different directions. If the explosion was strong enough to break that sling it was certainly strong enough to separate the rifle from the post it hung on (by the sling).

None of that makes any sense. I have seen enough of explosions to know how they react. A contained quarter stick of dynamite explosion can launch a trash can a long way for example and that explosion in the video was far more than a quarter stick of dynamite.

I don't doubt the quality of the rifle btw. It might well do quite well under severe conditions. But I've seen other gun tests that far exceeded the level of that gun test. I saw a Sig P220 with an explosion roughly equivalent to a hand grenade placed directly under that pistol. It launched that pistol a long way into the air and it survived. There were no cut away shots in that video either. I certainly don't doubt the ability of that gun to survive abuse. I saw a Toyota truck fall from the top of an 18 story (I think it was) building that had been demolished and the truck drove away from that spot even though the frame was broke in half. Steel is not something that is easily destroyed. But that big of an explosion should have done a lot more to that gun and post than just knock it over. But it didn't.

I don't care that they did this. I am certainly not going to start something with Vickers over it. I've done far worse at an earlier time in my life even though I wouldn't do it now. If he can make a living testing products more power to him. I just don't believe everything I see especially when there are glaring examples of things a person would do if they were intentionally rigging a test. It's like NBC putting a flare in the back of that pickup so it would burn on impact. This stuff happens a lot and if a guy who gave his country as much service as Vickers did wants to cash in a little on that experience I'm not going to confront him about it. He's earned the right IMO. Yes in a perfect world things wouldn't happen that way but this is far from a perfect world. Almost every job on earth requires you to sacrifice your integrity at least a little. It's the lesser of two evils thing again. You either let your family starve or you do what it takes because that's not as bad.
This is the best and funniest post in this thread. A non-expert in explosives with experience with firecrackers calling BS on Special Ops guy.
 
If you can't back up your claims and get called out on it then that isn't a personal attack. You know video? Great. Post your credential. Because the DO matter. I could claim to know nuclear physics. That doesn't make it true.
 
this is honestly a more impressive test. this is ten thousand rounds from a dpms rifle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHNvUPjIOzY

it is more applicable practically speaking, for instance:

1. if i have my rifle in my hands, and a bomb explodes 10ft from my face, i probably dont need a rifle anymore.

2. if i fall out of a perfectly good helicopter, i should not be trusted to have a rifle in the first place. (and probably wont need one anymore)

3. in usmc basic training in s.d., if you let your rifle be run over by a vehicle you will probably be toting a pink super soaker for the next 6 weeks

etc, etc, etc.

the 10,000 round torture test is truly impressive though. no cleaning, no cooling, no ceasefires, just bang bang bang bang bang ten thousand times.
 
They fired about 25 actual rounds on video. And what the hell did they shoot that video with.

And he even admits that it malfed. But claimed it wasn't a "real" malfunction because it was dirty.
 
lol, ya, but they couldnt film the whole 10000 rounds as it probably took 24 hrs to do all 10000. (you can tell because it was daylight when he started, and then it got dark, and then it was daylight again when he finished.

it didnt stop because it was dirty, just because it dried up, so he sprayed lube in it and kept it running that way.

i dont own a dpms, nor have i ever, just saw it out beside the dd test and clicked it.
 
It was a little over the top, but looked fine to me. I agree that it makes me want an AimPoint more than a DD though.
 
I wasn't there, so I don't know. The only people who know were the people who were there, and most of them have some sort of stake in the outcome of that. One thing's for sure though, it sure isn't an AK-47 ;-)

That said I personally believe the video, because none of that stuff they did really seemed that harsh, I'd do any of it to my 10/22 and still expect it to function (aside from a possible broken plastic stock). Almost any well made gun can survive quite a bit I put my poor babies through all kinds of heck. However if the point is to find the "toughest" firearm, well, I don't think anyone can argue the Ak takes it hand's down.

Looks like a nice weapon though, and if I weren't poor I'd like to have one. Anyone want to start a charity of "help the poor hipoint owning hillbilly"? :D
 
All that being said, it was a interesting test to watch, real or faked. I own a DD and it has proved to be nothing but great. If you have seen any other tests from other makers the same commets can be said for them, they all are trying to sell you something.
 
The 'test' is stupid. I expect ANY AR-15 to pass that test.

1. how many people have ever dropped a gun from 30 feet on the grass?
2. get shot by birdshot and your gun is the last of your worries
3. explosion???...see #2
4. who drags their gun through the mud like that?

Show me a torture test that fires 15000 rounds non stop. That is a torture test.

The stuff in this ad is just plain silly.
 
The 'test' is stupid. I expect ANY AR-15 to pass that test.

1. how many people have ever dropped a gun from 30 feet on the grass?
2. get shot by birdshot and your gun is the last of your worries
3. explosion???...see #2
4. who drags their gun through the mud like that?

Show me a torture test that fires 15000 rounds non stop. That is a torture test.

The stuff in this ad is just plain silly.
I would be curious to get feedback from members with multiple combat tours how silly or out of realism the scenarios may be. Maybe other forums that cater more to active military would be a better place to post the question.
 
I would be curious to get feedback from members with multiple combat tours how silly or out of realism the scenarios may be. Maybe other forums that cater more to active military would be a better place to post the question.
See post #51 by Chindo18Z. He's been vetted by the THR mods as an actual US Army MOS 18Z. He probably has a combat tour a three ;) .
 
Sarduy... dude. It obviously endured in that test a lot more than any rifle will in its lifetime. Looks pretty darn tough to me. You sound like a teenage girl arguing about what he said she said, give it a rest, I can't believe this thread is on THR.
 
If they are intentionally misrepresenting their product, that's exactly what they are... regardless of years served in any branch of the military. That said, I don't care either way. I've never heard of DD until I saw this thread.

Vickers and DD are the real deal. If they say it's good to go. it usually is. Did anyone expect a decent AR to fail any of these tests?

As for the tape on the barrel. It's standard operating procedure to wrap your flash hider with electrical tape sticky side out to keep barrel obstructions out when treking through the woods. Or if you leave your Ar in a truck, boat, tool bag etc. I wrap my AR's flashhider with tape after I clean it so that when it's in my Larue range bag nothing will roll into the barrel and blow my fingers off in the first stage of comp or class. If I have a chance I'll pull the carrier and eyeball the bore, but that would have screwed up this test video.

While torture tests are a bit silly. The DD rifles are good stuff. And Vickers is a credible source. (At least a whole lot more credible than the Spongebob and My Little Pony watching noobs in this thread :neener:)
 
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The 'test' is stupid. I expect ANY AR-15 to pass that test.

1. how many people have ever dropped a gun from 30 feet on the grass?
2. get shot by birdshot and your gun is the last of your worries
3. explosion???...see #2
4. who drags their gun through the mud like that?

Show me a torture test that fires 15000 rounds non stop. That is a torture test.

The stuff in this ad is just plain silly.
Az someone with a couple tours in Iraq I gotta say when an IED goes off next go you, how your rifle performs after is VERY important. As for falling, I have fallen down a hillside when the ground gave way along a river and had a friend fall through the second floor of an Iraqi house. I've also been hit by fine shrapnel when my buddy shot a door with his M203.

So as a man who has been through combat, I'd say these tests can replicate real world experiences.
 
Az someone with a couple tours in Iraq I gotta say when an IED goes off next go you, how your rifle performs after is VERY important. As for falling, I have fallen down a hillside when the ground gave way along a river and had a friend fall through the second floor of an Iraqi house. I've also been hit by fine shrapnel when my buddy shot a door with his M203.

So as a man who has been through combat, I'd say these tests can replicate real world experiences.
Thanks for your service. While designed to sell rifles, the point of the DD test is to simulate the situations you and countless others experience(d) in combat and prove their rifles were up to task. Thanks for replying.
 
Not to impugn the testers nor the test itself but I've seen videos of Hi-Point pistols that took FAR worse beatings than those "visually impressive" tests.:)
 
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