Dating Model 12's by serial number

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Hello Members,
I am interested in acquiring more knowlege regarding a pair of fine model 12's inherited by my wife from her stepmother's stepfather. He was the original owner and I believe he purchaced them prior to 1957. One 12 ga., one 20 ga. Both are heavily engraved with hunting scenes depicting hunter, dog, male and female pheasants, outdoor scene, and marvelous scroll work along top of barrel, side plates trigger guard. The bolt and follower are covered with a round swirl pattern. The work was stated by my mother in law to have been done in Japan by famous engraver between 1957-1961, not verified.
They both have ivory inlay of diamonds in the forestock and under the pistol grip. Both have plain barrels. Hunter, dog, pheasant are silver bass relief.

My local gun dealer described them like this:
20 ga. full choke, like new, professionally heavily engraved, original wood not cut down, original butt plate, bore perfect. 13¾" LOP. Serial Number 1319696.

12 ga. 98%metal, 80%wood, professionally engraved. 13¾" LOP including rubber butt pad. Stock cut down to accomodate butt pad. Choke not described but believed to be full also. Serial Number: 1669436

He stated the 20 ga. to be slightly rarer, valuing it at $2000 plus. The 12 ga. valuing it at $1200 plus.
The wood is nice but nothing fancy. Their condition is excellent to perfect and way too nice to hunt with.

I would like to know exactly when they were manufactured, and if the appraisal sounds accurate. I have many pictures that may be seen if requested to my email.
I am looking to sell them as a pair only to assist in funding my wife's cancer treatment.
Thank you for your assistance. Jack
 
I thought I had, I will try again. Thanks Jack
 

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Anybody know how to date these fine shotguns? My web searches say that there are no records available. I am hoping someone has a book. Please let me know. Jack
 
These look like standard grade guns that were engraved in Japan during occupation after WWII. Notice the plain wood and lack of vent ribs. Winchester had some wonderful wood at the time on their higher grade guns and most higher grade guns had solid raised or vent ribs. I believe the guns may be pretty but not worth what one might expect.
 
Here's something similar, but with extra fancy wood and a rib. They're asking $1999.

www.cabelas.com/gun-inventory---boise---win-sg---622473-win12-boi.shtml

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Dating Model 12's by serial

Thanks guys for the information. It seems that the 20 ga was made in 1951 or 52, and the 12 ga was made in 1957 or 58. I wish there was some way to tell where the engraving was done. Is there any website information about factory engraving by Winchester? Jack
 
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