DC Issues First Carry Permits

[Sam1911]

Here's a news story about it. Numbers are low, so far...

http://freebeacon.com/culture/dc-issues-first-gun-carry-permits/

 

[AlFarkle]

DC Permits

Eighteen hours of instruction. Why bother applying? They'll probably offer the instruction between 2:00 am and 4:00 am, over a course of several mos. DC people are still getting the short end of the stick.

 

[TimSr]

It's not surprising the numbers are low under the conditions and circumstances. I would assume the application fees do not get refunded when you are denied, so who wants to throw away $110 for a likely decline? Personally, I'd also be very suspicious and fearful of making myself a target by submitting my information to the DC legal system.

Something is wrong when law abiding citizens fear the legal system more than criminals.

 

[wojownik]

By comparison, neighboring Maryland requires 16 hours of instruction (new applicant) and 8 hours for renewals, and an even lower success rate in getting a concealed carry permit in "the Free State".

Plus, with 6 DC instructors, those 8 approved applicants can avail themselves of some really one-one-one instruction. Alway gotta look for that bright side : barf:

An 11% approval rate was probably not what Judge Scullin had in mind in his ruling.

 

[Ryanxia]

I believe there's still a challenge in the courts that these requirements don't fly with the judge's ruling.

 

[JTHunter]

Illinois' non-refundable application fee is $150 and we also have up to 16 hours instruction. You can drop 4 if you have the NRA Basic class or Hunter Safety, and I think you can drop 8 hours for LEO or military experience.
Then there are the classes - prices have ranged from $150-$300 for the full 16 hours. Range time is usually extra.
Then, to MAYBE shorten the turnaround time by 30 days, special fingerprints that can be $50+.

 

[CLP]

Stark contrast to Jefferson County, AL.

$7.50 per year- you can get up to 5yrs at a time (37.50). Fill out the online application and mail it in, get it in a couple of weeks.
Personally, I think that's unacceptable and that a citizen shouldn't have to spend any money to exercise their 2A right.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

At least IL went 'shall issue'. That still doesn't make me feel better about the 150 bucks that I had to part with to exercise a 'right'.

 

[mgkdrgn]

Great.

Now, where they will "get got" is that it isn't legal to carry on "federal property".

It's tough to walk down any street in DC for more than a block or two without entering "federal property".

 

[wojownik]

It's tough to walk down any street in DC for more than a block or two without entering "federal property".

That's a bit of an exaggeration - there's a lot of federal property in DC, but not as much as many folks think.

The restrictions on where carry is allowed is still onerous all the same:

1. Any building owned or under the control of the District of Columbia, its agencies, and instrumentalities;
2. The building and grounds, including any adjacent parking lot, of any public, public charter, or private elementary or secondary school; or any public or private college or university (note - there are 5 major university campuses, plus hundreds of schools strewn throughout the city - if the "grounds" also include the sidewalk, then yeah, walking around DC concealed is pretty much impossible)
3. Any pre-school or child care facility;
4. Any public or private hospital, or other building where medical or mental health services are the primary services provided;
5. Any adult or juvenile correctional facility, including halfway houses;
6. Any public transportation vehicle, including the Metrorail transit system, but not including taxicab operators;
7. Any premises or portion thereof, licensed under Title 25 of the District of Columbia Official Code, where alcoholic beverages are served, or are sold and consumed on premises;
8. Any public gathering or special event conducted on property open to the public that requires the issuance of a permit from the District or federal government or their agencies or instrumentalities ... (which basically means that if you need a permit to exercise your 1st amendment rights , your 2d amendment rights doubly don't apply . And that also includes "Taste of DC," any parade, or any other street fair).
9. Any stadium or arena;
10. Any area where firearms are prohibited under federal law or by a federal agency or entity;
11. The area around the White House, namely: between Constitution Avenue and H Street and between 15th and 17th Streets, all Northwest;
12. Within 1,000 feet, or other lesser distance designated by the Chief or his or her designee, when a dignitary or high ranking official of the United States or a state, local, or foreign government is under the protection of the Metropolitan Police Department, or other law enforcement agency assisting or working in concert with it ... (um, so intuitively need to keep 1000 feet away from a moving motorcade travelling in a direction you can't predict? Even if you're on foot, and they're rolling towards you? Good luck with that ...
13. Within 1,000 feet, or other lesser distance designated by the Chief or his or her designee, of a demonstration in a public place ... (and "demonstrations" area daily event in DC, even if its one kook carrying a placard protesting for protection of the endangered tasseled wobbegong).
14. Any prohibited circumstance that the Chief determines by rule, provided that for spontaneous circumstances, no criminal penalty shall apply unless the licensee has notice of the prohibition and has failed to comply. (By rule, I presume means that Cheif Lanier issues a Departmental memo for any other areas they might have left out above ...)

 

[Trent]

Illinois' non-refundable application fee is $150 and we also have up to 16 hours instruction. You can drop 4 if you have the NRA Basic class or Hunter Safety, and I think you can drop 8 hours for LEO or military experience.
Then there are the classes - prices have ranged from $150-$300 for the full 16 hours. Range time is usually extra.
Then, to MAYBE shorten the turnaround time by 30 days, special fingerprints that can be $50+.

Yet, even with all of that cost and time, not to mention the LONG list of prohibited places where we aren't allowed to carry (such as public parks.. public transportation.. public events like community festivals)...

... we still managed to hit 100,000 licenses in the first year.

 

[Red Wind]

Stark contrast to Jefferson County, AL.

$7.50 per year- you can get up to 5yrs at a time (37.50). Fill out the online application and mail it in, get it in a couple of weeks.
Personally, I think that's unacceptable and that a citizen shouldn't have to spend any money to exercise their 2A right.

You are certainly correct. We have to go to Alaska,Arizona,Vermont or Wyoming for that.

Washington,D.C., our nations Capitol, is a hideous joke. Maybe someday it'll become part of America.

 

[mgkdrgn]

That's a bit of an exaggeration - there's a lot of federal property in DC, but not as much as many folks think.

The restrictions on where carry is allowed is still onerous all the same:

1. Any building owned or under the control of the District of Columbia, its agencies, and instrumentalities;
2. The building and grounds, including any adjacent parking lot, of any public, public charter, or private elementary or secondary school; or any public or private college or university (note - there are 5 major university campuses, plus hundreds of schools strewn throughout the city - if the "grounds" also include the sidewalk, then yeah, walking around DC concealed is pretty much impossible)
3. Any pre-school or child care facility;
4. Any public or private hospital, or other building where medical or mental health services are the primary services provided;
5. Any adult or juvenile correctional facility, including halfway houses;
6. Any public transportation vehicle, including the Metrorail transit system, but not including taxicab operators;
7. Any premises or portion thereof, licensed under Title 25 of the District of Columbia Official Code, where alcoholic beverages are served, or are sold and consumed on premises;
8. Any public gathering or special event conducted on property open to the public that requires the issuance of a permit from the District or federal government or their agencies or instrumentalities ... (which basically means that if you need a permit to exercise your 1st amendment rights , your 2d amendment rights doubly don't apply . And that also includes "Taste of DC," any parade, or any other street fair).
9. Any stadium or arena;
10. Any area where firearms are prohibited under federal law or by a federal agency or entity;
11. The area around the White House, namely: between Constitution Avenue and H Street and between 15th and 17th Streets, all Northwest;
12. Within 1,000 feet, or other lesser distance designated by the Chief or his or her designee, when a dignitary or high ranking official of the United States or a state, local, or foreign government is under the protection of the Metropolitan Police Department, or other law enforcement agency assisting or working in concert with it ... (um, so intuitively need to keep 1000 feet away from a moving motorcade travelling in a direction you can't predict? Even if you're on foot, and they're rolling towards you? Good luck with that ...
13. Within 1,000 feet, or other lesser distance designated by the Chief or his or her designee, of a demonstration in a public place ... (and "demonstrations" area daily event in DC, even if its one kook carrying a placard protesting for protection of the endangered tasseled wobbegong).
14. Any prohibited circumstance that the Chief determines by rule, provided that for spontaneous circumstances, no criminal penalty shall apply unless the licensee has notice of the prohibition and has failed to comply. (By rule, I presume means that Cheif Lanier issues a Departmental memo for any other areas they might have left out above ...)

And of course, they have a map for all the new "carriers' showing clearly where all those places are ... right?

 

[JTHunter]

Trent said:

Yet, even with all of that cost and time, not to mention the LONG list of prohibited places where we aren't allowed to carry (such as public parks.. public transportation.. public events like community festivals)...

... we still managed to hit 100,000 licenses in the first year.

Do you remember that last year, some groups theorized that there would be nearly 400,000 applications in the first year? Last I heard, it's only about 92,000 as of 12/31/14.

I think a lot of people are put off by the costs and time requirements. Also by the restrictions on carrying in those areas they fear the most - public transportation!

 

[Trent]

Oh no doubt there are a lot of people put off by the high costs, and the long training requirement.

I know one friend who hasn't been able to find a weekend free to do the 16 hour course because he works weekends (and weekday instructors are very few and far between).

Still, people who put a priority on it can still do it.

I have two active orders of protection out against people so carrying daily *is* a priority for me. That piece of paper doesn't mean much.

 

[wojownik]

Well, the total count of DC carry permits just passed ... 15 total approvals.

Reporter Emily Miller (Wash Times, Fox DC ) recently got her approval, interesting read:

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/28192641/fox-5-emily-miller-gets-dc-gun-carry-permit-approved

 

[Jim K]

I wonder about the racial breakdown. The recent MD law is blatantly racist, with supporters asking opponents, "Do you want those people to have guns? No question about the color of "those people." No civil rights on this issue, folks, just plain ol' racism.

Jim