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(DC) Probe: Robbers Used Weapons Smuggled From Iraq by Soldier

Discussion in 'Legal' started by K-Romulus, Jul 16, 2006.

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  1. K-Romulus

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    Is this because of the lapsing of the AWB?
    Or maybe because the UN didn't get a treaty on universal gun registration?:rolleyes:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/15/AR2006071500909_pf.html
     
  2. johnsonrlp

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    It's a good thing she only had a 9mm. An AR or Mini might of scared somebody. Wouldn't want that you know.
     
  3. sm

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    Just me you understand...

    I smell a rat.

    Interesting timing this article comes out after the UN back-peddles on their position on small arms control in US. The US "clarifies" position to UN, All the "crime emergency " in DC and...

    *sniff* I smell more than one rat.

    We have the Wars on " [ ]" and everybody wants a budget increase because ...because...

    "He who does the best posturing - gets the biggest budget increase"
    "Remember Waco!"

    I will state it again, as I did recently over at TFL. MSM and now it seems Fox is going thru something...

    Indoctrinate .

    Makes sense since Roberta X clued us in on "news is just a filler for the ad dollars and ratings game".

    Might as well Indoctrinate and play the brainwash game here at home to a new level - worked abroad for the US, and ...

    I do not personally own a TV, don't want one.

    I smell a lot of rats on this "news".


    Steve
     
  4. Preacherman

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    Well, speaking purely theoretically and hypothetically, of course . . .

    I understand that it's a lot easier to smuggle back a receiver, rather than a complete weapon. Until earlier this year, AK parts kits were freely available, so that a full-auto AK receiver could be used to assemble a full-auto AK with ease. I also understand that a lot of AK receivers can fit into a surprisingly small space.

    Of course, I wasn't there myself, and I would never do such a thing - these are just reports I've heard.
     
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    The Governor of Virginia just finished a meeting with the Mayor of DC and the Governor of Maryland. It ended with them all smiling and shaking hands.

    I guess that one of the results of the meeting was that there would be no more accusations that all the guns used in crimes in DC and Maryland were bought and smuggled in from Virginia? [/saecasm]

    Alternatively, this is a great ploy to use for getting the US out of wherever we are currently - oh, yea, Iraq. War is bad, and the guns used in war make the soldiers become bad persons - even to the extent of bringing back one or more bad guns. [/sacrasm again]

    I did enjoy the comments about how difficult it is to pin the importation on any specific person, even if they have at most a few hundred (an Army MP company) to wade through in figuring it out. Reminds me of the cannon-cockers who rode the ship home with us from Vietnam. Stateside inspection turned up tubes stuffed breech to muzzle with Thai pot, but nobody would claim the stuff and "because" everybody on the ship had access to the hold where the guns were, "anybody" could have done it. On the other hand, the cryptographic vans had security seals and were not opened for inspection - that was a shame cause a van holds a lot more than a cannon tube :evil: .

    stay safe.

    skidmark
     
  6. whm1974

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    It would be just as easy to smuggle underfolders as well. Or remove the stock.

    I'm wondering about the legality on ammo and mags soldiers might bring back.

    -Bill
     
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    It would be very easy to smuggle in anything smaller than a camel.
     
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    When I was on a personel baggage detail (post deployment) we had one SM who couldn't find her issued M9 to turn it in. It was finally found in her backpack, on the tarmack of Wheeler Army Airfield in Hawaii. Imagine how easy grenades would be.:fire:
     
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    I know this article to be a lie as I have read right here on THR that no weapons are being brought back from Iraq and Afghanistan.

    There is no smuggling ongoing, e.g. there are no coffins full of firearms being brought back into the CONUS. Remain calm--we have assumed control, we have assumed control.
     
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    Let's give the reporter Weiss and whoever he got his info from some props for this paragraph.

    The bold section directly contradicts the usual "full auto's are flooding the streets" BS and the underlined portion gives a very clear and true difference between real FA's and their legal status (restricted, not illegal) and legal semi-auto "assault-type" versions.

    This ain't bad gun reporting.
     
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    I noticed that too. It's refreshing to see a journalist that actually did their homework instead of the ususal inaccurate drivel.
    Does this solidify the brady bunch's position that only military and police should have guns because they are trained and trustworthy? :rolleyes:
     
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    I dont honestly see a legislative solution to all of this. Everything these guys are doing is completely illegal from beginning to end. It isnt like they are cleverly skirting the boundaries of illegality like some guy evading tax.

    My preferred solution:
    -get rid of the gun laws and spend more effort catching people who rob banks. The problem isnt that a civilian possessed a machine gun, the problem is that a bank robber did. I bet 100 percent of the people that could be trusted to safely have any gun could be trusted with a machine gun. A bank robber will be dangerous with or without machine guns.
    Another possible solution:
    -waste lots of time hassling the 99.9999 percent of servicemen who arent smuggling weapons to catch maybe a few percent more of the smuggled guns.
    An even worse solution:
    -stop fighting wars overseas, disband the military and disarm the police so that no police or military firearms ever get on the black market. Of course, then we would be in the same boat as england, where the firearms come from the black market for narcotics.
     
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    Actually Preacherman, I've always figured that the only parts you'd really need to smuggle back are the fire control group. You can buy the aforementioned parts kits here quite cheap, and buy undrilled receiver flats and put the holes in the places appropriate for the full auto FCG, instead of the semi.

    And the easiest place to smuggle the FCG parts would be in the unit maintenance sections cases of spare parts. Even if the parts connexes are inspected, there's literally thousands of small parts, and how many inspectors know what they're looking for?

    The article mentioned that the suspected smuggler came back from Iraq 2 years ago, meaning he went over very early in the campaign. It was probably easier to pull something like this off at that time than it would be now. The simple reason for that is that now, captured weapons are evidence-assuming the bad guys are captured and not killed-and evidence has to be accounted for. Even if all the BGs are KIA, the weapons get accounted for. This makes it tougher for Pvt Gangsta to stuff a few in his duffle. This wasn't necessarily the case in the opening portion of the campaign.
     
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    They don't check everything. It would have been a lot easier when they checked nothing.
     
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    I can't help but wonder if there is dashcam footage of them shooting at her. I think seeing it would give an idea what it's like to have someone open up on you with an FA without the danger of getting killed.

    So glad she wasn't hit.

    Maybe if we have a public lynching of the AKs it will scare all the other AKs out there to stay out of our country! After all we all know that if it wasn't for the influence of those aweful AKs those boys would have been at church praying.[/sarcasm]
     
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