Death at FrontSight?!

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Was just informed that a guy fell to his death during a Repelling Class. Said the rope broke.
This comes from a former FrontSight Trainer that I've known for years.

EDIT: Just found Iggy's statement on it.

--- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]
To: <[email protected]
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 12:39 AM
Subject: Front Sight Fatality


July 5, 2007

Dr. Ignatius Piazza
Founder and Director
http://www.frontsight.com

Front Sight Fatality

Thousands of students have safely and successfully participated in Front Sight's Rope, Rappel, and Climb courses over the last several years without incident.

Tragically, we experienced a fatality on the 1,000 ft Zip Line during the 8th Annual July 4th First Family Reunion.

We openly share the details of this safety incident so that others may learn from it and prevent such a tragedy from ever happening again.

Here Are The Facts:

* The incident occurred on July 4, 2007, during the annual First Family Reunion event.
* The time of day was approximately 7:15 p.m.
* The weather was clear, sunny, calm, with perfect visibility, and about 100 degrees.
* The incident occurred on one of our three Zip Lines which originate from the Rappelling Tower.
* Instructors working the Zip Line were seasoned Rope, Rappel, and Climb Instructors who had also instructed during previous July 4th Events.
* The zip lines are essentially steel cables which start high in the rappelling tower and extend in an arc to a pole about 1,000 feet in the distance.
* The participant is placed in a safety harness and helmet which is inspected for proper fit and function before two safety lines are secured to a trolley composed of two pulleys that are locked around the steel cable.
* Upon the instructor at the top of the Zip Line receiving a visual communication from the instructor at the bottom of the Zip Line, that all is clear, the participant is instructed to lean forward and drop down and away from the tower, riding below the steel cable under the force of gravity.
* The participant comes to a stop approximately 15-20 feet off the ground in a low point of the cable, at which time the instructor at the bottom of the Zip Line engages a large, steel, scissors lift platform to rise up to retrieve the participant from the cable. The platform is raised, the participant is detached from the overhead cable, reattached to the platform, and then lowered to the ground.
* Once the platform is safely secured in the down position, the participant is detached and walks off of the platform. At that point, there is visual confirmation between the instructor operating the platform at the bottom of the Zip Line and the instructor at the top of the Zip Line that the platform is down and the Zip Line is clear.
* The instructor at the top of the Zip Line, having visually confirmed the platform is down and the Zip Line is clear then instructs the next participant to lean forward and drop down and away from the tower riding below the steel cable under the force of gravity.
* The fatal incident occurred as one participant had completed the Zip Line ride and was hanging in the air waiting to be retrieved from the cable. The instructor at the bottom of the Zip Line, operating the platform, was still in the process of raising the platform to retrieve a participant and had not given any visual indicators that the zip line was clear when the instructor at the top of the Zip Line released another participant.
* When the instructor at the top of the Zip Line released the participant without receiving any visual confirmation to do so and failing to look and clearly see the lift platform was in the up position and the previous participant was still waiting to be retrieved, the instructor on the bottom of the Zip Line, operating the platform, attempted to quickly retrieve the first participant and lower the platform-- thus getting out of the way of the incoming participant.
* Tragically, the incoming participant impacted into the platform and was killed instantly.
* Front Sight staff immediately activated the 911 EMS system.
* Front Sight Paramedics were on the scene within three minutes and determined the participant was deceased.
* All three zip lines were immediately closed for the remainder of the event.
* Nye County EMS and Nye County Sheriff/Coroner arrived and conducted an investigation which lasted several hours.
* During the investigation, Front Sight staff and management cooperated completely and provided as much comfort as possible for the grieving family members of the deceased.
* A Front Sight staff member was assigned to remain with the grieving family, assisting them with anything they needed, and driving them safely home after they had made the
appropriate arrangements for their deceased family member.
* The entire group of participants were gathered together, informed of the tragedy, and the July 4th First Family Reunion concluded with the Front Sight management, staff, and hundreds of Front Sight members holding a candlelight memorial to pray for the grieving family and the soul of our deceased First Family member.


Feeling and Opinions:

No words can express the sorrow we feel as individuals and as an organization for the loss of one of our own in this tragic accident.

Unlike fatalities of unknown individuals that have occurred in numerous, well known theme parks and adventure resorts throughout the country, this tragedy took the life of a friend and loyal supporter of Front Sight. I knew him. He was a good, family man and he loved Front Sight.

Supporting his grieving wife in my arms with no adequate words to express my sadness and sorrow; seeing the tears of his young son and daughter as I must tell them their father has died in an accident; and breaking the news of a son's death to his mother and father fell on my shoulders as the Founder and Director of Front Sight. Such an emotional experience will never be forgotten.

I don't know how companies like Disneyland, Great America and others handle such situations, but I can tell you that Front Sight takes care of it's loyal and supportive members and will do what is right to assist the family of our First Family Member in any reasonable manner needed.

Let me make this perfectly clear: This tragedy was not the fault of our fallen First Family Member.

We have fully reviewed our training and standard operating procedures and have found them to be totally safe and effective as evidenced by the thousands of previous Zip Line participants. This incident was the result of gross human error in failing to follow well known, very simple, and extremely affective safety protocol on the part of a single instructor. We have taken the immediate and appropriate actions to permanently remedy that situation.

Sincerely,

Dr. Ignatius Piazza
Founder and Director
Front Sight
 
There WAS a death, but it was not during a rapelling class. I don't know where you got your info from.

It happened over the 4th of July annual celebration, on the Zip Line event. The rope did not break. Rather, due to operator error, a participant was released before the immediately preceding participant had been cleared off the rope. The clearing device was a mechanical lift, which was still in a raised position. The participant who was released too early collided with the mechanical lift and died on impact.

I know his name, and he will be greatly missed. Front Sight is giving to his family, as are many of it's members (of which the deceased was one of the founding members). I do not know what's happening with the operator who released the deceased too early. I'm sure he is in deeper grief than any of us could imagine. My sincerest condolences go to the family and to the event operator.
 
I do not know what's happening with the operator who released Mr. Martinez too early.

Dr. Pazuzu is terminating him, apparently:

This incident was the result of gross human error in failing to follow well known, very simple, and extremely affective safety protocol on the part of a single instructor. We have taken the immediate and appropriate actions to permanently remedy that situation.

He needs to read up on the term "respondeat superior"
 
Sad, sad, sad.

You know, I work in maintenance at a popular amusement park, and any time I read about an incident like this I just cringe, and wince, and hope I never read about another one. Of course, there's always another one.

I don't know the instructor involved in this incident, and the report is not terribly detailed, but it seems an obvious act of complacency and negligence. I often wonder where the criminal liability is in situations like these. FS will be sued, they'll pay, and life will go on as if money fixes everything.

That bothers me.

When you put yourself in position to insure other peoples safety, you're accepting a moral and (I would hope) legal obligation to not screw up. Sure, it's a pretty hefty performance expectation, but that's what comes with the territory. If the kid at 7-11 screws up, I get charged double for my slurpee. When someone like Mr. Martinez (or myself) screws up, someone else can pay with their life.

I don't think I'm explaining myself terribly well, but in short I wish there was more personal accountability in "accidents" like these that aren't at all accidental, but wholly negligent.
 
Perhaps there should be some kind of emergency brake mechanism the rider could engage in situations such as this? Easy to second guess the design, but you need to learn from such tragic mistakes. If we didn't there wouldn't be seat belts or air bags in cars.

In early tandem skydiving the thought was not to train the passenger about the chute system in case they freaked out and started pulling the wrong things. That was until there was a fatality were the tandem master was knocked out. Both rode in with an unopened chute and died. Hopefully the passenger was knocked out too and was spared the experience of hitting the ground. Now they train the passenger to pull the ripcord as part of the experience.
 
It is incredibly refreshing to see an organization own up and quickly present all the facts behind an accident instead of trying to pay off the family and keep things quiet.
 
With Piazza's reputation for lawsuits, he'll probably bankroll the lawsuit against the instructor on behalf of the family in exchange for not being sued himself.

I'm sure the law's not finished investigating this and I can't believe he's making these statements. If nothing else I'd think at least one of his ambulance chasers and/or his insurance company would be screaming (at him) by now.
 
One of our fellow gun owners and shooters dies in an accident and people still manage to bash Piazza and Front Sight over it. Unbelievable.

I didn't know the deceased, but at least he can say he went out doing something he enjoyed. RIP and Godspeed.
 
You know, I have to say, if I were able to choose my own end, God as my witness, I would rather pass doing what I love than suffer in bed for three months waiting, knowing my death was near!

To be certain the family is suffering, and that seems to have been needless. All the same, if I had the money to attend one of their sessions, I would. This does not change my mind of their quality and commitment to safety.

Here I sit, 34 surgeries after a fool rear-ended me, as I sat waiting to make a left-hand turn. We are none of us assured anything beyond the breath of air in our lungs. I hope and pray that God blesses all involved.





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people still manage to bash Piazza and Front Sight over it. Unbelievable.

It's unbelievable Pizza manages to get a press release out so fast fingering a scapegoat and yapping about how hard it's been on him. Un fricking believable.

This is what happens when you try to make a gun range into an amusement park and land development scheme for people with more money than sense. I'm sorry the fellow got killed, but I'm not remotely surprised it happened. Why the devil were clients flying around on lines at a range in the first place? Did he have a roller coaster there too? No doubt this will all head to litigation again, but I hope this time somebody finally closes that operation down forever. It's not doing us any favors. "First Family Members" indeed. Cult doublespeak. What a crock.
 
Our own Correia shot steel targets from a zip line at a recent event. The video of other participants was posted here.

Whatever you think of FrontSight, everybody from kids in the backyard to your dentist wants to try a zipline like MacGuyver at least once. This time it went wrong.
 
Can we please lock this thread before more idiots disrespect the dead by waging their own personal jihad against Frontsight?
 
Like Don said, I just shot a stage from a zip line. (MGM Ironman) It was probably the most fun shooting I've ever had in my life. Where I did this, this kind of accident wasn't really possible, because they used a big wooden set of steps to get the rider down.

Cosmo, people shot from a roller coaster at the Mystery Mountain 3gun last year also. Didn't get to do that one, but heard it was lots of fun.

I can see how this happened. You're going really really fast. If they had some sort of mechanical lift raised, the impact could easily kill you. The operator at the opposite end probably got tired or careless or wasn't paying attention.

Look, guys, let's not turn this into a Frontsight thread. This was a tradgedy that could have happened anywhere. (and I'm no Piazza fan either).
 
That would really suck. Also that First Family Reunion event is reserved for the people who sink big money into Front Sight I'm pretty sure. So they lost a really good member.
 
Obviously some among us have a grudge against Front Site. Don't know them, or the place, never been there, but what I read appears to be a factual accounting of events and it sounds like they did the best the could under the circumstances.

By blaming a single employee they are accepting blame as well as they are responsible for the actions of their employees.

What are you looking for that you didn't read?
 
What i want to know is why a zip line was even set up like that. That was an accident waiting to happen. Anytime you can have a remote person cause the person to go is bad. The only person who should be in direct control is the "zipper"and/or the instructor at the end of the line. Having an instructor (who is at the starting end) be able to cause a zipper to fall is just wrong. They should not being doing that. Also the platfrom should of been padded and/or and placed so that if some one were to hit it they would not have enough speed to do any harm to them self or others. Why they had the platform that close to some one is weird. The person should have just enough speed to reach the other end no more. In fact its a good idea to have them always falling short of the end. So that the last couple feet they have to pull them selfs to the end. This would of saved his life.

I have encountered better zip lines in 3rd world countries. They out to be shut down(which they did), with there current set up.


Look, guys, let's not turn this into a Frontsight thread. This was a tradgedy that could have happened anywhere. (and I'm no Piazza fan either)

I never heard of Frontsight until today so i have no beef with them. But them having a set up like they had is wrong so wrong. And it could not of happened at a place that had one properly set up. period. Frontsight caused that death by there company policy, on how to run a zip line.


We have fully reviewed our training and standard operating procedures and have found them to be totally safe and effective as evidenced by the thousands of previous Zip Line participants. This incident was the result of gross human error in failing to follow well known, very simple, and extremely affective safety protocol on the part of a single instructor. We have taken the immediate and appropriate actions to permanently remedy that situation.

Wow nice way to say its not your fault when it is. I dont even know what type of company they are or what they sell, or even if they are a company. But that set up is wrong and them saying other wise is even worse. I now have no respect for that company. And i dont even know what they do.


I am all for zip lines, but they need to hire some one who knows how to set one up.
 
Agreed. Sounds like a stupid set up. A little redundancy could solve that problem.

I just bring up the Frontsight thing, because a lot of people on here despise Frontsight for various reasons, and there's no reason this thread needs to devolve into a thread about how much they suck.
 
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