Deer Hunting with a .45 ACP

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In respect to the OP.... At limited distances, say something similar to bow hunting yardage, with a good hollow point round of choice, (I personally prefer the 185 grain because they are a little faster), yes a 45 ACP will drop a deer with a properly placed shot. And, having dropped a 150 lb hog at 20 - 25 yards last year with mine, I think I can say that with some authority.

As for why I might want to carry such a puny weapon to hunt with Kachok, I was on my tractor mowing and underbrushing the field, and it's kinda difficult to tote the 06 on the tractor.
 
I have had much success with the 45 acp in the deer woods. It is legal to use in my state, and provides clean kills when used at appropriate ranges. There is so much misinformation floating around that is based on nothing more than hearsay much of which is a result of parroting other misinformed individuals.
 
Many consider the 10mm to be a real killer:uhoh: The hottie 45+Ps ACP, in the lighter bullet weights (as mentioned about the 185 grn) get real close to the ability of the 10mm, does not have the penetration some mention, but then again, it is bullet design that helps in that case... I like the 400 Corbon, it is, right there with both of the ones mentioned...

None would be my choice for carry though :) If I was going to hunt with a pistol...But if I had any of them and it was no further than 50 yds with a good side angle shot into the boiler room, Id take it...;)

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Harley Quinn said:
Many consider the 10mm to be a real killer The hottie 45+Ps ACP, in the lighter bullet weights (as mentioned about the 185 grn) get real close to the ability of the 10mm, does not have the penetration some mention, but then again, it is bullet design that helps in that case...

Actually the +p 185gr 45acp is 150fps slower than the 10mm 185gr bullets. Buffalo bore has a 220gr 10mm thats moving at 1200fps. They're 230gr .45acp +p is only going 950fps
 
Got to wonder what the pressure is in the 10mm BB :eek: I feel from a reloading look at things those who want to push the pressure some in the 45's are safer than the 10mm...

I mentioned earlier, I like the 400 Corbon, good results and the pressures are not so high...:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10mm_Auto
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The 10mm Auto earned a reputation for battering guns early on, largely because manufacturers attempted to simply rechamber a .45 ACP design for the 10mm Auto.[citation needed] The .45 ACP works at a much lower pressure and velocity, and the frame and slide designed to handle the .45 ACP cannot handle the greatly increased forces of a 10mm Auto without substantial strengthening. Later guns, such as the Glock 20, Glock 29, and the Smith & Wesson Model 1006, were built around the cartridge to help increase durability and reliability.
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Actually the +p 185gr 45acp is 150fps slower than the 10mm 185gr bullets. Buffalo bore has a 220gr 10mm thats moving at 1200fps. They're 230gr .45acp +p is only going 950fps
Rocky1 mentions,
Y'all want me to go shoot one with the 40 too?
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I think it would do the job;)
 
With the proviso that the shots need to be kept in close distance, and the shooter needs to be capable of delivering accurate shots at the range of distance decided on, then yes, the .45 is capable of putting meat on the table.
 
In Georgia, the case law only supports a conviction for FMJ type ammo. A lead semi-wadcutter, lead roundnose, Hollow point, or soft point would be considered an "expanding" type bullet whether or not it expanded in use.

A .45acp really dosen't kill or affect a target so much as by kinetic energy as expressed by the ft/lbs figure which favors a high velocity bullet. Rather, the momentum figure velocity x bullet weight in grains / 7000 which is a constant converting weight to mass (pounds to newtons). Also know by the Pounds/feet figure.

This latter figure better describes the .45acp which puts it on par with the .243wcf with a 100gr Spt.

I've taken several deer with the .40S&W and 10mmAuto with 155-200gr bullets. Performance under 75yds is on par with the .30/30 and .35Rem rifles. I've also taken deer with a .452" 200gr SWC (Lee copy of H&G #68) in a sabot from a .50cal m/l at ~1500fps. All of the above loads and guns taking over a dozen deer have resulted in only one bullet recovered. That was a ~200lb deer shot front-on with the .50cal m/l load at 40 feet, and the .452" 200gr SWC lodged in the paunch (stomach/rumen) after breaking the spine and taking out approx 3" of it. Penetration was still more than 2'. The semi-wadcutter not so much expands as the front section collapses and "rivets" making more of a round-nose or wadcutter. From the .45acp, it essentially cuts a "cookie cutter" hole through the deer and rapid death if not casused by CNS disruption (cutting the spine) but from the rapid blood loss. One deer I shot with the 200gr SWC was a doe at ~40yds broadside through the heart. As it ran from in front of the smoke plume, it was pumping two streams of blood out of 1/2" holes on both sides. It ran about 75' and leaned as it ran, till it hit the ground on it's side and then went into slow motion running motion, and then quit.... Quite a stunning show.

Shot placement is still the most critical factor.

In Jr. High School, I read the short story by Rudyard Kipling (author of "The Jungle Book" and many other works); called "Riki Tiki Tavi". He recounted the time that his gun bearer left him in the lurch while trying to take a warthog for the dinner table. He was treed by a previously wounded Cape Buffalo and had to spend the night in an accacia tree. He stated he wasn't too worried about a leopard joining him while the bull was beneath him waiting on HIM.
Come morning he used his shoe laces and a safety pin to "fish" his Colt M1911 from the bottom of the accacia tree where it fell from his holster during the rapid ascent of the tree the previous evening. Once retrieved, he used 27rds of hard-ball to disable and eventually put down the Buffalo, which he induced to charge a "scare crow/Matador" he made with his pants and shirt stuffed with leaves and dangled by his shoe laces. He shot downward into the Buff as it passed under him. Eventually several rounds found their way into the buffs lungs as he described the buff blowing blood from it's nostrils as it charged the dummy. After the buff expired, he left the tree, retrieved his rifle (caliber not specified, but I seem to remember him mentioning a .318 Wesley & Richardson, and proceded to go hunting for his "former" gun-bearer.......

I do remember getting an "A" on the book report, however.....
There was nothing like that in Riki Tiki Tavi. It was about a mongoose that becomes a boy's pet and kills a pair of cobras.
 
There are many great rifles and handguns that are designed to kill deer sized game very quickly, the .45ACP is NOT one of those, and really does not fit the bill, neither does the 40 S&W or the 357 SIG. Sure they CAN kill a 200 lbs anamal but so will a 22LR and you won't see me deer hunting with one of them either. If recoil is your issue 243 Win 257 Roberts and 6.5x55 all do the trick very well with virtualy ZERO recoil.
 
It is important, for a variety of reasons, to know what the .45 is capable of doing. For instance, car breaks down, etc... and the carry gun has to be used to procure edibles.

I do not see a problem using handguns on game, provided that the shooter takes his job seriously and is capable of putting rounds on target at reasonable distances.
 
why do it, there are firearms made for hunting, firearms made for combat, self defense...dont think the .45 acp was ever intended for hunting....if thats all you got I guess..but otherwise use a "hunting weapon" for 2 legged vermin the .45 is the ideal weapon.
 
can it be done, certainly, i know of several deer that have fallen to a 22lr handgun. so a 45 automatic rifle should be no problem. just remember to limit your shooting to the capabilities of the gun, and you will be fine. also, double check the laws in your state. many of them make no sense, but they are still the law.
 
What:confused:
It might have been another short story in the Jungle books volume two, but not "Rikki Tikki Tavi" which was there also...

http://www.classicshorts.com/stories/rtt.html
Easy to confuse after so many years, I can understand that:)
In Jr. High School, I read the short story by Rudyard Kipling (author of "The Jungle Book" and many other works); called "Riki Tiki Tavi". He recounted the time that his gun bearer left him in the lurch while trying to take a warthog for the dinner table. He was treed by a previously wounded Cape Buffalo and had to spend the night in an accacia tree. He stated he wasn't too worried about a leopard joining him while the bull was beneath him waiting on HIM.
Come morning he used his shoe laces and a safety pin to "fish" his Colt M1911 from the bottom of the accacia tree where it fell from his holster during the rapid ascent of the tree the previous evening. Once retrieved, he used 27rds of hard-ball to disable and eventually put down the Buffalo, which he induced to charge a "scare crow/Matador" he made with his pants and shirt stuffed with leaves and dangled by his shoe laces. He shot downward into the Buff as it passed under him. Eventually several rounds found their way into the buffs lungs as he described the buff blowing blood from it's nostrils as it charged the dummy. After the buff expired, he left the tree, retrieved his rifle (caliber not specified, but I seem to remember him mentioning a .318 Wesley & Richardson, and proceded to go hunting for his "former" gun-bearer.......
 
Heres my take on it, overgunned is pretty much never a problem, under gunned has a much much higher probability of being a problem. If you feel comfortable going out there with the intention of using a caliber that you were so unsure of the killing power you needed to post the question here.......go for it. Ive never wounded a deer and not been able to recover it, but i think it would be a terrible feeling. Why hunt with something marginal when you could easily use something else. Its not a question of whether or not it can happen........its a question of ethics. My ethics do not allow me to do things like this because i care alot about the animals i hunt and think they deserve more respect then trying to use the minimum possible tool for the job.
 
I have used self defense bullets in .45 ACP to take deer but like bullets that hold together and exit. The deer are just as dead with 185 grain JHPs that don't exit but I am just stating my preference. I'd use the Speer 200grain Gold Dot +P factory load, based on the old Lawman ammunition which left a dime size exit hole on a broad side deer. I like double lung shots so my preferences may vary from yours. The 225 grain Speer soft point should do nicely or a somewhat heavier Sierra 240 grain. If you handload pick a velocity that matches the expected velocity the manufacturer wants used with the bullet you are interested in using. If a bullet is specifically designed for a 454 Casull, it won't expand much in a .45 ACP class pistol. Bullet weight doesn't automatically guarantee penetration. My last deer shot broadside with a 230 grain Hydra-Shok didn't have an exit wound bigger than a fingernail. My opinion is that hollowpoints kill better than solids on high lung shots. Tough cast bullets penetrate shoulders better. Pick your bullet style according to your hunting style and what shot's you are willing to pass up.
 
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Sectional Density

Another number to look at is sectional density.

This latter figure better describes the .45acp which puts it on par with the .243wcf with a 100gr Spt.

A 230 grain .45 ACP bullet's SD is .162.

A 100 grain .243 bullet's SD is .242.
 
I'm far from a fan of the .45acp but if any of you think its not adequate inside 30yds, id assume you would be again.st archery hunting.
 
actually i think an arrow would be a MUCH better tool at short range. Have you seen the wounds that a quality broadhead makes? Again not that 45 wont do it but why even go down that road when there are literally hundreds of better tools for the job.
 
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