Democrats afraid of NRA discharge petition

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  1. LAR-15

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  2. Reddbecca

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    They'd better be scared. The last time they disobeyed and supported the AWB was the last time they worked for a very long time.
     
  3. markk

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    GOA sent out an alert about this the other day.

    If you go to http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm and enter your info, GOA will send a pre-written email to your appropriate politicians urging them to support the discharge petition.
     
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  4. Matt King

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    This is why people should support the NRA.
    If I remember correctly, hasn't the NRA forced a bill to a floor vote before?
    Didn't they do that with the 1986 FOPA?
     
  5. Mot45acp

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    Sorry for helpin out. If I knew that people were going to derail the original thread and commence to bickering I wouldnt have posted.
     
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  6. CrawdaddyJim

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    Said at the end of the article "There are no current gun dealers in the district, so citizens can't legally get a gun home" I was under the impression that there were a couple of stores for the LEO trade??

    Jim
     
  7. Drgong

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    well I am joining the NRA 1st of the month...
     
  8. Robert Hairless

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    There's actually no reason for the Democrats and gun banners to be concerned. They are looking in the wrong direction for the real power. As many members of this forum know and will say, the NRA isn't it.

    The NRA has almost no support from American gun owners. Of an estimated 80 million gun owners in this country, only 4 million are NRA members. So 95% of the gun owners in this country do not belong to the NRA.

    A great many of the gun owners in this and other gun-oriented forums not only don't belong to the NRA but actively oppose it, as does Gun Owners of America (GOA) and its 135 or so members throughout the country. The GOA members take turns attacking the NRA whenever possible, all except Rex and Martha who are honeymooning after forty-nine years of bliss, and Frank who is off his medications again.

    Many of those people understand that the NRA does nothing for gun owners and does not support Second Amendment rights because if it did there would be no paychecks for the NRA staff, which is why the American Medical Association does not support curing people of disease and why the Center for Disease Control is teaching various deadly organisms to pull little wagons in a miniature circus.

    The real power among Second Amendment activists are the individuals who refuse to join or support the NRA but take their aunty out shooting, buy ammunition and guns they bury in their backyards and mark with big signs in case they forget the location, write e-mails and complaints on gun forums, and boycott stores but support the rights of businesses to ban people who carry self-defense firearms in their own cars while in the business's parking lots, and shout "I want a machine gun!"

    Those are the people who really scare the Democrats, and everyone else. Without their steadfast adherence to principles that few others can understand, who knows where our right to keep and bear arms might be today. :rolleyes:
     
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    Here is what GOA has to say about it...http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm

     
  10. Joseph85

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    Yes, lets all bury our guns in our backyards. That'll teach 'em. :rolleyes:

    The NRA does some good. I'm not a member of Gun Owners of America for the simple fact that they seem to spend more time attacking the NRA than they do attacking the liberal Democrats in Congress.

    Regardless, I don't know what D.C. is hoping to achieve here. They know they're going to loose (again). Maybe they like having more egg on their faces.

    In the long run, more federal lawsuits brings more publicity to the issue of the right to keep and bare arms.

    I'm starting to think the Democrats in D.C. are secret operatives working for us.
     
  11. Z-Michigan

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    Does anyone else feel the urge to vomit after reading this? I mean, I'm a lawyer, and I find these rules incomprehensible and disgusting. Couldn't we at least expect some kind of democracy out of our legislature that's dominated by a party that claims to be democratic? Is that so much to ask?
     
  12. Solo Flyer

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    Robert,you are so correct.I'm a Life Member of the NRA and have signed up my 5 children on a yearlY basis.
    They take virtually no interest in their membership(even the 2 boys)American Rifleman and Americam Hunter mags pile up unread,my attempts at reason find deaf ears.
    Is there really any hope?
    "Solo In His Bunker".
     
  13. RoadkingLarry

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    Here is a link to Mike Ross's Bill and a list of Co-sponsors. If your's isn't there a communique may be in order.

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:9:./temp/~bdkT9V:mad:@@P

    Anybody got a list of who has signed the discharge petition? There are 248 co-sponsors and they only need 218 signatures to execute the discharge petition????
     
  14. damien

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    The Democrats have no reason to worry. Their members that oppose it aren't going to hurt too much because they live in cities with gun control constituents. Their members that support it aren't going to hurt too much because they live in suburban and rural areas that support handgun ownership in general and understand that handguns can be used by citizens to deter criminal attacks (recent polls show 70% of American would not support a ban on handguns, about 25% would, 5% don't know their own name). The Democrat leadership just needs to let their members vote the opinion of their constituents and basically it will work out fine for them.
     
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    From A THR Primer on Courtesy

     
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    Actually this compromise bill has a potentially significant benefit in it. It strips out one of the major underpinnings of firearms control, "Though shalt only take control of a pistol in your own state".

    It also has the effect of invalidating swathes of the interstate commerce acts that have been used for gun control as well.

    Typical politicians not understanding the law of unintended consequences......

    For example,

    If the Federal government says it is permissable for DC residents to buy pistols out of state in Virginia or Maryland, then it follows that it is permissible in the other direction, as and when a real FFL opens in DC.

    Since this is accepted, it is a fully defensible case that triangle trade is permissible, VA to MD and MD to VA.

    Since transactions between these 2 is OK, and this is federal law it is legally indefensible to not apply to the same law to the remaining 48 states.

    This provides the same incremental whittling away at firearms control laws Heller has initiated and could be used as a significant lever in the fight for incorporation of 2A.

    Whilst this is going on, the SC ruling is STILL going to be running in parallel which adds to the building of case law, an actual WIN-WIN

    I love it when politicians act DooooH
     
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    How do I find out if my rep signed? Is there a Bill number?
     
  18. Solo Flyer

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    This appears to address the 2 bills.
    H.R.1399 and H.Res 1331:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20080722/pl_usnw/gun_rights_dean_anticipates_national_support_for_capitol_hill_effort_to_torpedo_washington__d_c__assault_on_united_states_supre

    WASHINGTON, July 22 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- "America's 80 million law-abiding gun owners will support a developing congressional effort to thwart politicians in the Nation's Capital seeking to undermine the Supreme Court decision in the historic District of Columbia v. Heller case," right to self-defense advocate John M. Snyder said here today.


    "After the Court threw out the D.C. handgun ban as an unconstitutional violation of the Second Amendment individual right to keep and bear arms, D.C. officials thumbed their noses at the Court," continued Snyder, Manager of Telum Associates, LL.C., and Public Affairs Director of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. "They acted recently to continue the ban on semiautomatic handguns. They told Dick Anthony Heller, who won the case, he still cannot register his .45 caliber Colt 1911 handgun."


    Snyder, named "dean of gun lobbyists" by The Washington Post and The New York Times, noted that, "H.R. 1399, the proposed Second Amendment Enforcement Act introduced by Reps. Mike Ross (AR) and Mark Souder (IN), to repeal D.C. provisions at issue in the case, already has 247 cosponsors -- well over half the membership of the House of Representatives. H. Res. 1331, by Congressman Souder, would force early consideration of a modified version of the bill if activated by the signatures of 218 Representatives on a discharge petition the Hoosier lawmaker plans to file.


    "Since the D.C. government thinks it's superior to the Supreme Court, Congress ought to tell gun-grabbing D.C. politicians to take a hike. Souder's move would do the trick. Concerned citizens around the country can support Souder by urging their own U.S. Representatives to endorse H. Res. 1331."


    The Senate companion measure, S. 1001, by Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas, already has 47 cosponsors, Snyder reported.


    "D.C. politicians have treated the Supreme Court with contempt," said Snyder. "They have refused to recognize appropriately the right to self-protection. They have refused to honor freedom of choice of appropriate arms for self-defense by Dick Anthony Heller and others. Congress must not allow the District to get away with it. It should move the proposed Second Amendment Enforcement Act and it should move it soon."


    Contact: John Snyder 703-212-9863


    SOURCE Telum Associates, LL.C.
     
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    Robert Hairless,

    Do you teach classes or have a Dojo somewhere where you instruct open minds on your school of Snak-fu? Priceless.

    Arthur
     
  20. Rugerlvr

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    Hairless is a sarcasm machine.

    Machines are rarely funny.
     
  21. JohnBT

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    "I mean, I'm a lawyer, and I find these rules incomprehensible and disgusting."

    I believe the process needs to be unreasonably difficult. Imagine the mess they'd make if passing laws was easy.

    John
     
  22. XDKingslayer

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    Add me to that list...
     
  23. azredhawk44

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    Again, this is the NRA doing the wrong thing.

    Congress (and thereby legislation) is the wrong tactic here. The correct tactic is the Courts.

    Court cases build precedent, which becomes increasingly difficult to overturn the higher in the judicial system the decision is made.

    A writ of mandamus against DC added as an addendum to the Heller case history would be solid gold for attacking other local statutes.

    A BS bit of legislation from a lib congress erasing some laws in DC does nothing for Chicago or New York litigious matters. It can also be reversed the next session once the pesky election cycle has gone its way.

    I want the NRA to leave Congress alone and spend its energy and focus on litigation. Lobbying does nothing for us when we don't control either house of Congress.
     
  24. Owen

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    Because negotiating with the majority party is a bad idea?

    Its the National Rifle Association, not the National Republican Association. If noegotiating with dems moves out intersts forward, then we should do it.

    Being too proud to win is dumb.
     
  25. ilbob

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    this bit of political sophistry just irks me. nothing in this bill we probably won't get in a few months from the courts anyway.

    now if you rewrote it and put in usa instead of DC, then it would be meaningful.
     
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