M2 Carbine said:OK Pilgrim, tell me now you don't like my Derringer.
I don't like your derringer. The picture means nothing. A 22 pointed at someone looks intimidating. That does not make it an effective self defense firearm.
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Derringer a waste of money???
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I don't like your derringer. The picture means nothing. A 22 pointed at someone looks intimidating. That does not make it an effective self defense firearm.
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M2 Carbine
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Oh darn. The fact that you disagree with me has ruined my whole day.
M2 Carbine
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OK, now this is WAYYY off subject but, Biker I hope you live in the mountains.
In the early 70's I flew in the St Joe Forest in Idaho. Really pretty country.
but, Biker I hope you live in the mountains.In the early 70's I flew in the St Joe Forest in Idaho. Really pretty country.
I live in Pocatello, in South East Idaho. Within a 20 minute ride there are mountains, high desert, lakes and resevoirs, stream fishing, you name it. I like variety. Somehow, I suspect that your "ride" might get ya to where you want to go a bit quicker that mine would. You should 'flame' that bad boy out!
Biker
Somehow, I suspect that your "ride" might get ya to where you want to go a bit quicker that mine would. You should 'flame' that bad boy out!Biker
Mooseman
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Derringer
I own one in 22 mag. Only good as a curiosity. A lot of small frame revolvers and autos to be had for not much cash. Cruise your next gunshow and price out used 38 snubbies.
I own one in 22 mag. Only good as a curiosity. A lot of small frame revolvers and autos to be had for not much cash. Cruise your next gunshow and price out used 38 snubbies.
rageofangels
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Get a J-frame of SP101 for pocket carry. Especially if you are a big guy, you can get away with it.
PlayboyPenguin
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I do not like to think of myself as a big guy (6'-6'1" and 220lbs), but that is exactely what I ended up getting.rageofangels said:
rageofangels
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I am fat and short, so I can conceal it for two reasons. 1. People don't look at fat people as much as they do pretty ones. 2. My bulge can hide more because I am in shape (hey, round is a shape!
).I'm 5'8" and about 260 lbs.
Catshooter
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Despite all the advice that I can carry anything from a P32 to a SP 101 just as comfortably in my pocket, the fact is that my .45 derringer fits in my pocket, and the P32 isn't going there. It's just too bulky. The two are about the same length, but the derringer is much shorter. Let alone something bigger.
"Everyone knows derringers suck, so anything is better." Sometimes, sometimes it just ani't so.
Open your minds, don't be so dogmatic, you might learn something.
Cat
"Everyone knows derringers suck, so anything is better." Sometimes, sometimes it just ani't so.
Open your minds, don't be so dogmatic, you might learn something.
Cat
progunner1957
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If you want a pocket pistol, you would be much better served by a .38 snubbie, IMO. You get 5 or 6 shots vs. 2.
I have often entertained the idea of getting two identical .38 snubbies for carry. You would have a fair amount of firepower on tap with two, and they would be light and easily concealable.
I have often entertained the idea of getting two identical .38 snubbies for carry. You would have a fair amount of firepower on tap with two, and they would be light and easily concealable.
M2 Carbine
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I'd rather pocket carry my S&W 2 inch J Frame than anything else because it's equipped with a Crimson Trace laser grip.
But the fact is the only guns that fit my front pockets are the Kel Tec 32 and 380 and the Bond 45ACP Derringer.
I dress for comfort, not for carry, so I have to carry what fits.
I still haven't made up my mind which I'd rather have if needed, two bad ass big heavy bullets or 7+ half ass little light bullets.
Maybe the new single stack Kel Tec 9mm will do the job.
But the fact is the only guns that fit my front pockets are the Kel Tec 32 and 380 and the Bond 45ACP Derringer.
I dress for comfort, not for carry, so I have to carry what fits.
I still haven't made up my mind which I'd rather have if needed, two bad ass big heavy bullets or 7+ half ass little light bullets.
Maybe the new single stack Kel Tec 9mm will do the job.
rageofangels
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Do they make Crimson Trace grips for the SP101?
M2 Carbine
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rageofangels, Look down near the bottim of the page.
http://www.crimsontrace.com/default.asp?id=694
"Lasergrips are available for most common 5-shot revolvers including: Smith & Wesson J-frames, Taurus 85/850 and the Ruger SP101. For the S&Ws, two models are available: the first is a compact “boot grip” style in polymer for ease of concealment. The second is the “shooter’s grip”. It is rubber overmolded and allows a full handgrip on the gun for shooting comfort while still being compact enough for concealed carry. The rubber overmolded grip (LG-305) is also perfect for controlling the newest generation of ultra-light revolvers in .357 magnum."
http://www.crimsontrace.com/default.asp?id=694
"Lasergrips are available for most common 5-shot revolvers including: Smith & Wesson J-frames, Taurus 85/850 and the Ruger SP101. For the S&Ws, two models are available: the first is a compact “boot grip” style in polymer for ease of concealment. The second is the “shooter’s grip”. It is rubber overmolded and allows a full handgrip on the gun for shooting comfort while still being compact enough for concealed carry. The rubber overmolded grip (LG-305) is also perfect for controlling the newest generation of ultra-light revolvers in .357 magnum."
scbair
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Well, compared to the rest of you guys, I'm downright puny (5' 11" and 195 lbs.), but I have absolutely no problem comfortably and effectively concealing my J-frame snub in a pocket holster, right front pocket. I just can't justify reducing either the power/penetration level or the capacity (or the accuracy) to go to a smaller envelope.
I have both a P32 and an AMC .45 ACP derringer, but haven't carried either of those pistols in a l-o-o-n-g time.
Now, I fired a friend's new 9mm Kahr polymer-framed subcompact last Saturday. I'd prefer the all-steel version, but the practical accuracy and power of that piece may make me re-think my "snubby-or-stay home" philosophy! Granted, I'd have to take greater pains to keep it clean than I do with my 642 (basically blow the lint off it every week or so), but the increased effectiveness and reduced bulk are appealing!
I have both a P32 and an AMC .45 ACP derringer, but haven't carried either of those pistols in a l-o-o-n-g time.
Now, I fired a friend's new 9mm Kahr polymer-framed subcompact last Saturday. I'd prefer the all-steel version, but the practical accuracy and power of that piece may make me re-think my "snubby-or-stay home" philosophy! Granted, I'd have to take greater pains to keep it clean than I do with my 642 (basically blow the lint off it every week or so), but the increased effectiveness and reduced bulk are appealing!
I read somewhere that derringers are for arms length and closer,
including contact shots.
That being the case, it seems a derringer is less effective than a knife.
I'm no expert on the subject, but if you have to get close enough to use a knife to use a derringer, then wouldn't a knife be better since it offers more than two tries?
Those small, folding NAA deringer size revolvers might be another matter. I've heard they can be accurate to 10 or 15 feet and have several shots. That might be equal to a knife and is still approx deringer size.
On the other hand, the Taurus .32 Mag snubby with 5 shots and a hammer bobb job would beat any deringer, NAA, or knife, in my opinion. Likewise the now discontinued S&W .32 Mag Centennials and the like should be awesome too. The only complaint I have with these S&W is they are too light (13.5 oz) and are reputed to kicked like heck. This makes the Taurus number one in my opinion at 17 oz. I think the Taurus would be much better than any knife.
P.S. - I own an SP101 .32 Mag 3" barrel and it is no pocket gun. It does not fit any pants pockets, unless you're dressed like a super baggy pants rapper. It does fit into most of my various coats' right hand pockets, but makes my coat hang way funny and is uncomfortable. Don't kid your self, an SP101 is a great gun, but no way is it a pocket gun.
On the other hand, various models of snubby .38 and .32 revolvers and the Bersas autos, and especially Firestorms autos, and some models of Kahr are great pocket guns. By "pocket gun" I mean coat pocket, although many of these also work well in a slacks pants pocket, especially if it has a watch pocket inside the larger pocket. I find the watch pocket is an ideal holster for the barrel and trigger guard of my Firestorm .32. A Firestorm .380 is the same size and shape and would also work well in my pants pocket.
As an aside, I find that rounded trigger guard guns work much better in my pockets because they are not sharp. The recurve type trigger guards tend to snag when putting into my pocket, wear holes in my pockets, etc. The small shooting advantage of a recurve is not worth the concealment disadvantages in my experience.
including contact shots.
That being the case, it seems a derringer is less effective than a knife.
I'm no expert on the subject, but if you have to get close enough to use a knife to use a derringer, then wouldn't a knife be better since it offers more than two tries?
Those small, folding NAA deringer size revolvers might be another matter. I've heard they can be accurate to 10 or 15 feet and have several shots. That might be equal to a knife and is still approx deringer size.
On the other hand, the Taurus .32 Mag snubby with 5 shots and a hammer bobb job would beat any deringer, NAA, or knife, in my opinion. Likewise the now discontinued S&W .32 Mag Centennials and the like should be awesome too. The only complaint I have with these S&W is they are too light (13.5 oz) and are reputed to kicked like heck. This makes the Taurus number one in my opinion at 17 oz. I think the Taurus would be much better than any knife.
P.S. - I own an SP101 .32 Mag 3" barrel and it is no pocket gun. It does not fit any pants pockets, unless you're dressed like a super baggy pants rapper. It does fit into most of my various coats' right hand pockets, but makes my coat hang way funny and is uncomfortable. Don't kid your self, an SP101 is a great gun, but no way is it a pocket gun.
On the other hand, various models of snubby .38 and .32 revolvers and the Bersas autos, and especially Firestorms autos, and some models of Kahr are great pocket guns. By "pocket gun" I mean coat pocket, although many of these also work well in a slacks pants pocket, especially if it has a watch pocket inside the larger pocket. I find the watch pocket is an ideal holster for the barrel and trigger guard of my Firestorm .32. A Firestorm .380 is the same size and shape and would also work well in my pants pocket.
As an aside, I find that rounded trigger guard guns work much better in my pockets because they are not sharp. The recurve type trigger guards tend to snag when putting into my pocket, wear holes in my pockets, etc. The small shooting advantage of a recurve is not worth the concealment disadvantages in my experience.
Practice!
Guys,
I'll bet a fifth of "Jack" I can keep both shots out of
my Bond Arms .45Colt Texas Defender, inside the 8-ring
every time at 5 steps, 15'.
And, I'd take the same bet I could keep both shots,
inside the 7-ring at 8 steps, 25'.
Come on down.
I practice once in awhile. I drop it in my pocket, to run
down to town, sometimes to pick up some donuts.
I don't care if you buy one or not.
I like mine. I'm going to keep it.
Have Fun.
Guys,
I'll bet a fifth of "Jack" I can keep both shots out of
my Bond Arms .45Colt Texas Defender, inside the 8-ring
every time at 5 steps, 15'.
And, I'd take the same bet I could keep both shots,
inside the 7-ring at 8 steps, 25'.
Come on down.
I practice once in awhile. I drop it in my pocket, to run
down to town, sometimes to pick up some donuts.
I don't care if you buy one or not.
I like mine. I'm going to keep it.
Have Fun.
M2 Carbine
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ArmedBear, yes it was loaded. I keep a couple Aguila IQ rounds in it all the time. 1245 fps from that three inch barrel.
The camera was on auto, so no cameramen were endangered during the filming.
The camera was on auto, so no cameramen were endangered during the filming.
wolf_from_wv
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I like my little .45LC/.410 sxs... It is a Leinad model. The only problem is that .410 shells don't always go off. 8 grains of Unique and 200G bullets in the .45LC were pleasant to shoot.
Mooseman
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Old John
I might take you up on that just to see it. I can't hit squat with mine. You don't happen to live near Philly do you?
I might take you up on that just to see it. I can't hit squat with mine. You don't happen to live near Philly do you?
PlayboyPenguin
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Enough already!!! Don't you guys know I am broke??? And now you have me wanting a large Derringer for certain.
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