While my tongue in cheek comment was more a jab at Glock. I gave up on deciphering their naming a long time ago.. you could be correct.
I’ve never read the books nor watched the show.
did longmire get it wrong
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While my tongue in cheek comment was more a jab at Glock. I gave up on deciphering their naming a long time ago.. you could be correct.
I’ve never read the books nor watched the show.
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It IS a fictionalized TV show, so Longmire can carry his 1911 anyway he wants.
The Night Rider
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I meant the gun in her hand is a Glock 19. It's certainly not FDETo be fair, a Glock 45 is a 17 size frame with a 19 slide.
JR24
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I do enjoy them. Or at least did when I read them.
Though, I was kinda alternating books with the Bosch series, which I enjoyed a good deal more
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A Beretta 950 in .25ACP was my carry gun, long ago. It was carried, quite safely, in Condition 2. I popped up the barrel, dropped in a round, lowered the hammer, and then the barrel. Easypeasy, safe as houses.
In a pinch, it was equally easy to thumb back the hammer, and it could be lowered, safely, the same way...pop the barrel first.
But that's a 950, not a 1911.
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In a pinch, it was equally easy to thumb back the hammer, and it could be lowered, safely, the same way...pop the barrel first.
But that's a 950, not a 1911.
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Space Ghost
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A lot of times Hollywood will have a 1911 in condition 2 or 3... just so the actor can cock the hammer, or rack the slide before they fire it. (sometimes more than once)
It's more dramatic as you can't really notice the tiny thumb movement of the safety being disengaged on screen.
Remember... Hollywood like things that look "cool" not "right".
Same reason guns go "click" two or three times when they run empty, weather the slide is locked back or not.
It's more dramatic as you can't really notice the tiny thumb movement of the safety being disengaged on screen.
Remember... Hollywood like things that look "cool" not "right".
Same reason guns go "click" two or three times when they run empty, weather the slide is locked back or not.
Old Dog
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But... but... but, it's wrong! (Is something that's wrong on TV like when someone is wrong on the internet? Do you have to stay up and watch the rest of it, even when some gun details depicted lack credibility?
I knew someone once who'd worked in production on an old CBS series about Navy lawyers -- he said they routinely -- and weekly -- received e-mails and letters from active-duty military (and ex/retired military) if anything was shown in an episode that wasn't accurate about the particular branch or the military in general, especially if details were really screwed up... We're talking from ribbons, service stripes, insignia or badges on uniforms, to haircuts, dialogue, military bearing or lack thereof, depictions of tactics, weapons handling, daily routine, discipline, base, barracks and shipboard stuff, etc., etc.
Wonder if the networks (AMC, Netflix) used to get messages from gun nuts about some firearms inaccuracies on Longmire episodes? I'm bettin' they did.
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I actually have the entire existing series of The Longmire novels.
1 through 13 were good. 15 and 16 were good and 19 was good. The rest of them were WOKE or had Longmire solving crimes in Hell.
In a the forward to a few of the books Craig Johnson has essentially said that he'd rather write a good story than get the facts right.
1 through 13 were good. 15 and 16 were good and 19 was good. The rest of them were WOKE or had Longmire solving crimes in Hell.
In a the forward to a few of the books Craig Johnson has essentially said that he'd rather write a good story than get the facts right.
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docwharden1881
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movies and tv series have a flair for the dramatic. i suspect [walt] longmire carries the way he was taught or decided he preferred that particular position. it's not wrong for him but maybe wrong or other people.
Jim Watson
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Stuart Woods had an afterword to his Stone Barrington stories, it included:
If you find an error in this book, don't write us, we already know about it.
Gun nuts are the worst.
If you find an error in this book, don't write us, we already know about it.
Gun nuts are the worst.
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I didn't even notice how he carried his 1911. I didn't get past the first episode. The gun stuff was just terrible. I realize it's a fictional show, but some things are so blatant that I can't keep watching.
The wokeness in the very first episode turned me off.
Someone was killed by a .45-70 rifle and 2 things made me just stop it.
1. When they found out what caliber it was, they immediately came to the conclusion that it was from an old antique buffalo rifle. Like no one has made a .45-70 since the 1800s.
2. When they came to this insane conclusion, a lady asked why someone would use a weapon like that when you can buy an AK-47 on the internet.
That's the last sentence I heard of the show.
I know a lot of people like it and it's probably pretty good, but I just can't contain my rage for such nonsense. It's silly of me I know, but I don't reckon I'll be changing.
The wokeness in the very first episode turned me off.
Someone was killed by a .45-70 rifle and 2 things made me just stop it.
1. When they found out what caliber it was, they immediately came to the conclusion that it was from an old antique buffalo rifle. Like no one has made a .45-70 since the 1800s.
2. When they came to this insane conclusion, a lady asked why someone would use a weapon like that when you can buy an AK-47 on the internet.
That's the last sentence I heard of the show.
I know a lot of people like it and it's probably pretty good, but I just can't contain my rage for such nonsense. It's silly of me I know, but I don't reckon I'll be changing.
That's how I was taught.
Old Dog
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Yeah, Paul, I mentioned that back in post #50. But I kept watching the show because it was one of my mom's favorites and about the last series she followed after going into assisted living, but I also felt the Lou Diamond Phillips character was pretty well portrayed (oh, and I've had the hots for Katee Sackhoff since "Battlestar Gallactica."
lysanderxiii
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Yes.
There is no Absaroka County in Wyoming, nor is there a Cheyenne reservation in that State. The average size of a Wyoming county is nearly 4,000 square miles, there is no way only a sheriff and two deputies could cover that much territory from one office. And, the Sheriff's Department does not seem to have a dispatcher, or any sort of administrative staff.
With error's such as these, why should how he carries his pistol be such a concern?
Jim Watson
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Fictional locales are common and don't bother me much. Like "Farmington" in 'The Shield', home of crooked cops. Or "Darrowby" in 'All Creatures Great and Small'.
JTQ
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Is that different than a Condition 1 drop and discharge?
Arkansas Paul
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Because my passion isn't for geography, it's for guns, so that's what I care about.
I'm sure a geography major or someone who just enjoys studying geography, would likely take more issue with that than most of us here.
Nothing wrong with either, it's just where folks' interest lies.
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I haven't read all the posts so far, so if someone has addressed the I apologize.
The phrase "the 1911 was designed to be carried cocked and locked" is baseless folklore. JMB didn't design the pistol to be carried any particular way. It was built and modified as required to capture the U.S. Army as a lucrative customer for his semiautomatic pistol.
The 1911 was designed to make the Army happy in order to get the Army onboard as a customer for this gun. That's IT. The original design had NONE of those safety capabilities. All he did was give the Army the features they wanted on his design so that the Army would buy it. How the Army would choose to carry the 1911 was up to them.
And, since he was up against some rather stiff competition, you can bet JMB did the best to accommodate the desires of the Army to win that contract...a contract which ultimately lead to the Army alone purchasing nearly 3 million of the pistols, which would remain in service as the issued sidearm from 1911 to 1985.
There was no thumb safety on the original design. The Army said "We want a manual safety" and JMB replied "OK, here you go." Take a look at the original Colt 1905 submitted to the Army's 1907 trials. Do you see a manual safety? No. Do you see a grip safety? No. (See the link at the bottom of this post.)
The Army would go on to dictate in their own regulations and procedures how and when the 1911 was to be carried.
The 1911 may be carried any way a person desires to carry it, for whatever reasons they wish. However, it's also up to the individual to understand the limitations and potential consequences of whatever particular method they choose to carry it.
If you want to carry Condition 2, described as magazine inserted, round chambered, safety off, and hammer down, a potential consequence is having to deal with the requirement to physically cock the hammer back BEFORE the pistol can be fired, given that it's a single action pistol. Other than the fact that this gives one the option of adding an additional round on top of a fully loaded magazine, there's not much difference between Condition 2 and Condition 3 (loaded magazine, hammer down, no round in magazine).
Historical Firearms - The First .45 ACP Pistol: Colt 1905 Military...
The First .45 ACP Pistol: Colt 1905 Military Model In 1902 following the unsatisfactory performance of .38 service revolvers during the Philippine Insurrection the US Army began the search for a new sidearm. The .38 calibre revolver rounds failed to stop attacking Moro tribesmen and a weapon...
Jim Watson
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And Mr Browning's next effort was on a RFP by France to FN. So he designed a 9mm, which D. Saive kept working on after his death. The final product was a nice pistol but the feckless Frogs reneged on the deal and came up with their own gun in their own calibre.
Working with the military industrial complex is a chancy business.
Working with the military industrial complex is a chancy business.
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Absaroka County is Johnson County it's approximately 4200 square miles.
Durant is Buffalo.
I can't find the number for Johnson but Neighboring Sheridan County has 14 patrol deputies, 5 Sergeants, 2 lieutenants and a Sheriff. So you can assume that Johnson County's close to that.
In the books, Longmire has about six deputies.
I don't remember them talking about it too much in the television series but in the books Walt's jurisdiction seems to be wherever he's at, including Hell.
lysanderxiii
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In 2017, Johnson County, Wyoming had a sheriff, one lieutenant, one sergeant, and 12 deputies . . . and 15 detention officers with a single Captain.
The nearest Reservation is still 3 counties away.
It's fiction, ergo, it cannot be "wrong."
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