did magpul ever move?

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perhaps my google-fu is just weak, but after spending several minutes trying to find out if and where magpul moved to (in part or total) I'm coming up empty. Lots and lots of stuff from this spring about maybe moving, but nothing about where they might have gone.

So did they move? and if so, where?
 
Use the SEARCH feature on this forum (to the right, bar near the top of the page). I believe that they did move, or are in the process of moving, and they're several threads covering the subject. Use the key word, magpul.
 
Well, does anyone have a new production mag from them, made after July 1 2013? Does it have a serial number in addition to the standard date wheel? No, never mind that got removed from the final bill. They had no pressing reason to have to move once that was removed.

I've heard nothing of a final move and they are somewhat local. There is nothing on their website about any sites outside CO. They were active helping in the recent floods.

Probably going to have to ask them directly to know.
 
Hadn't really thought about to be honest but I just sent an email to then after reading this thread asking them. If I receive a response I will post it here.
 
I haven't seen anything about them ACTUALLY moving anything to anywhere.
 
Since The people of Colorado ousted their anti-gun politicians I believe the move was canceled.
 
Since The people of Colorado ousted their anti-gun politicians I believe the move was canceled.
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We're far from free of them. Yes there was a symbolic victory but they are still fully in control, just possibly a little afraid.
 
kimberkid said:
Since The people of Colorado ousted their anti-gun politicians I believe the move was canceled.
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There are plenty of gun grabbing politicians still in Colorado.

The magazine ban was still passed.

Magpul has not said anything about this, I suspect you are making it up, or read something written by somebody that made it up.
 
An entire company, or even just parts of it, doesn't pack up and move in a few months. A final decision to set that in motion is just the start of a process that will still be ongoing a year from then.

I don't know anything about Magpul's actual plans, but a call to them should be able to sort that out pretty quickly if you're curious to know, rather than speculate what's "probably" going on.

Of course, speculating about "chest thumping to drive sales" is a whole lot more fun.
 
An entire company, or even just parts of it, doesn't pack up and move in a few months. A final decision to set that in motion is just the start of a process that will still be ongoing a year from then.
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Very possible, it looks like people have asked. We'll see what response is forthcoming.

The initial bill put a big time limit on them, they had to leave the state by July 1 or re-do all their dies to insert serial numbers (or other unique identifier). That part got removed, I guess someone did listen to some small part of "unreasonable."
 
From August 23. Magpul's post on AR15.com is about 1/3 of the way down.

I remember them saying they planned to announce their new location after the NRA convention, which was in April, right? I suppose this is still "after."

I'm still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now. Deals fall through. They're going to have to announce something eventually, though, or their credibility will be ruined.
 
Outlaw Man said:
From August 23. Magpul's post on AR15.com is about 1/3 of the way down.

I remember them saying they planned to announce their new location after the NRA convention, which was in April, right? I suppose this is still "after."

I'm still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now. Deals fall through. They're going to have to announce something eventually, though, or their credibility will be ruined.
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They were pretty outspoken during the scare, and they went out of their way to rush mags to CO residents before the ban during a time when they weren't having any trouble selling them. I'm definitely going to give them the benefit of the doubt for a while longer.
 
A lot of companies that may eventually move are not likely to do so now because they have extensive backorders and can’t produce product and move at the same time. They are caught between second amendment advocates who don’t want to do business with firms that are located in the “wrong” place, while at the same time complain about shortages of (whatever) they need and want.
 
Posted by Magpul on the AR forum:

We are still planning on moving out of Colorado.

Due diligence is key here. Six months ago we had a new 100,000+ sf 'build to suit" facility ready to break ground here in Colorado along with 10 years of infrastructure and expertise to allow us to cost effectively produce parts here in the US.

All this changed with what happened in our capitol.

Since then we have cancelled our planned Colorado expansion and have been doing our due diligence on moving the company to another state. This means meeting with local authorities of different states and traveling to these locations to make assessments on their infrastructure and labor pool.

So far several states have been visited by our management team. While many offer great locations for part of our business, none have yet offered the complete solution we require to run and expand the business. So we are still looking and vetting out new locations right now.

Remember it takes us over 6 months just to vet out a new vendor to produce a single product. We are talking about the move of 100s of people along with over a decade of established production/supply lines.

So we are still moving. We just have not found the right location yet, but we are still actively looking.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_124/234827_Magpuls_new_location.html&page=11#i2157004
 
The amount of upheaval involved in such a thing is hard to fathom for most of us, I think. Moving will represent "peeing" away probably more than a few million dollars that they've no immediate physical reason to spend. It probably ISN'T a wise business move. They could make nice with the legislature, change a bit of tooling or whatever they have to do to comply, and roll right on fulfilling orders.

Just cancelling that build contract probably cost them dearly. The internal grief and angst and even rage, probably, of their employees being told the company is moving isn't something I'd ever want to have to face as an employer. (Sure hope MANY of their employees are sold-out, die-hard RKBA types willing to do ANYTHING for the cause. ... and hope their wives, husbands, etc. are too... :uhoh:)

But they're going ahead with it anyway. That's quite an object lesson. Yeah, I hope like crazy that other states give the massive incentives to move to try and recoup their lost capital. I hope that 5 years from now their profits are better than ever, BECAUSE of the move.

But right now, from where I'm sitting, it sure reads like a decision of conviction, not economics. Hats off to 'em.
 
"Since then we have cancelled our planned Colorado expansion and have been doing our due diligence on moving the company to another state. This means meeting with local authorities of different states and traveling to these locations to make assessments on their infrastructure and labor pool."

Nowadays, for businesses, this generally means how much can they shake the locals down for in free land, building money and tax abatements.

Not saying they're doing it, but this seems to be the trend. Obviously, ball teams have it down to a science.
 
Sam1911 said:
The amount of upheaval involved in such a thing is hard to fathom for most of us, I think. Moving will represent "peeing" away probably more than a few million dollars that they've no immediate physical reason to spend. It probably ISN'T a wise business move. They could make nice with the legislature, change a bit of tooling or whatever they have to do to comply, and roll right on fulfilling orders.

Just cancelling that build contract probably cost them dearly. The internal grief and angst and even rage, probably, of their employees being told the company is moving isn't something I'd ever want to have to face as an employer. (Sure hope MANY of their employees are sold-out, die-hard RKBA types willing to do ANYTHING for the cause. ... and hope their wives, husbands, etc. are too... :uhoh:)

But they're going ahead with it anyway. That's quite an object lesson. Yeah, I hope like crazy that other states give the massive incentives to move to try and recoup their lost capital. I hope that 5 years from now their profits are better than ever, BECAUSE of the move.

But right now, from where I'm sitting, it sure reads like a decision of conviction, not economics. Hats off to 'em.
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Amen to all of that Sam.

Anecdotal: I worked for a company once with about 500 employees that moved literally down the street and it took us a year to get moved, acclimated, work out all the kinks & get back to full capacity - and that was a year after we actually started the move, the planning was the preceding two years. We weren't a manufacturer, just moved people, paper, computers/servers, etc. I can only imagine what it takes to move design, engineering, equipment/production along with all the people, furniture, computers, etc. THEN you have to get back to capacity, so staging becomes the only way to survive the business interruption - assuming you have the capital base to absorb the disruption. This is no light undertaking and if I were them I'd move only the stuff that was outlawed in the state to minimize the impact.

Having said that, the public statements appeared both legal and idealistic, which still require the adequate capital base to absorb the disruption.

Either way, it's a cluster and very painful, both personally and professionally.
 
Nowadays, for businesses, this generally means how much can they shake the locals down for in free land, building money and tax abatements.
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Yup! That's pretty much what I had in mind when I said:

Yeah, I hope like crazy that other states give the massive incentives to move to try and recoup their lost capital. I hope that 5 years from now their profits are better than ever, BECAUSE of the move.
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I hope they find somewhere that REALLY wants their business and is willing to ease the fiscal pain they're going through now.

When one place shows how much they don't want your business, sometimes another place is more than willing to show you how much they DO!
 
Another thing to consider is that Magpul is one of the plaintiffs in the independence institute's lawsuit against the state. If the lawsuit is successful in overturning the legislation, why should they move at all?

So even ignoring how difficult it is to move a large manufacturing company to another state, it would probably be wise for them to bide their time a little and see where the lawsuit goes before spending millions on a move that could be rendered legally and ethically unnecessary.
 
and article this morning from the Daily Camera in Boulder. Supposedly still moving, just lots of things to work out.
http://www.dailycamera.com/erie-news/ci_24334918/magpuls-continuing-presence-erie-enrages-customers

personally, I'm a little skeptical given the lack of news, one would think that while there is a lot of work to be done to move a company they could at least have made announcements on where they are going by now. Heck, they seemed to be able to move at least some production out of state pretty quickly when all the gun ban stuff was making it's way through the political process.

As they say, time will tell.
 
MachIVshooter said:
Another thing to consider is that Magpul is one of the plaintiffs in the independence institute's lawsuit against the state. If the lawsuit is successful in overturning the legislation, why should they move at all?
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Wouldn't they also lose standing as a participant in that case if they moved out of the state before it was decided?
 
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