Dillon County (SC) deputy shoots man throwing baseballs
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I've taken many for the team before. A couple on purpose.(never hit with 90 mph + but several in the mid-80's) One broke my finger but all in all my injuries from getting hit by baseballs in the 15 yrs or so I played were not that bad at all. It is the bat I would be more concern with!
cortez kid
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When you add up all the people killed by bb bats, all the people hurt and killed by fools throwing things at cars, and all the people(includingcops) injured and killed by out of controll whack-jobs, that cop did just fine
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PX15
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Get Real folks...
If the wacko had seriously injured, or even killed someone with a baseball or bat the same people who are critical of the deputy's actions in shooting the bg in the legs would be raising the roof now because he "didn't do his job".
You folks who think being a leo makes a person make perfect decisions regardless of the stituation are full of crap.
The Deputy was just doing what HE thought best at the moment. I doubt very seriously there is a chapter in the "deputy's what to do" manual about a nut job slinging baseball's and bat's at people.
That deputy is not a perfect human being. He is just like YOUR Son, Brother, Father, Uncle, etc.... He has to make life threatening decisions under severe circumstances and then have his actions 2nd guessed by people who were NOT present, and have NO CLUE what the actual situation was.
I'm NOT a cop, have no cops in my family and don't have ANY cops as personal friends. I have no ax to grind on the behalf of law enforcement, but IF I were a cop, or if I had a cop in the family, or if I had a cop who was a good friend in the same circumstances I would think shooting the wacko in the legs would have been a second choice.....
I would have aimed higher.
Law Enforcement is a very difficult, dangerous, job.... For every "Barney Fife" or "Rambo" you find in the profession you find 100 dedicated public servants who are underappreciated and underpaid.
So, unless YOU have a personal ax to grind against law enforcement the proper response you SHOULD have had when reading the story is "Man, that deputy sure had better control than I would have... That baseball throwing nutjob is a lucky dude".............
And if you don't think a thrown baseball, or bat, can be a lethal weapon you never played the game.
Flames welcome, and you're STILL WRONG.
JP :banghead:
If the wacko had seriously injured, or even killed someone with a baseball or bat the same people who are critical of the deputy's actions in shooting the bg in the legs would be raising the roof now because he "didn't do his job".
You folks who think being a leo makes a person make perfect decisions regardless of the stituation are full of crap.
The Deputy was just doing what HE thought best at the moment. I doubt very seriously there is a chapter in the "deputy's what to do" manual about a nut job slinging baseball's and bat's at people.
That deputy is not a perfect human being. He is just like YOUR Son, Brother, Father, Uncle, etc.... He has to make life threatening decisions under severe circumstances and then have his actions 2nd guessed by people who were NOT present, and have NO CLUE what the actual situation was.
I'm NOT a cop, have no cops in my family and don't have ANY cops as personal friends. I have no ax to grind on the behalf of law enforcement, but IF I were a cop, or if I had a cop in the family, or if I had a cop who was a good friend in the same circumstances I would think shooting the wacko in the legs would have been a second choice.....
I would have aimed higher.
Law Enforcement is a very difficult, dangerous, job.... For every "Barney Fife" or "Rambo" you find in the profession you find 100 dedicated public servants who are underappreciated and underpaid.
So, unless YOU have a personal ax to grind against law enforcement the proper response you SHOULD have had when reading the story is "Man, that deputy sure had better control than I would have... That baseball throwing nutjob is a lucky dude".............
And if you don't think a thrown baseball, or bat, can be a lethal weapon you never played the game.
Flames welcome, and you're STILL WRONG.
JP :banghead:
PX15
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To: AK-74me
AK-74me:
I was addessing the post on the previous page from TarpleyG...
I should have been specific as what post I was responding to, I guess, but I was so po at that inane posting that I forgot to take my usual "Zoloft, fiber, nap" before responding.. Normally I allow time to reflect and calm down when I read a stupid post, but just missed it this time.
I get so tired of everyone making "politically correct" observations at the actions of law enforcement that I just want to spit. When leo's save our bacon we feel, "well, that's what they're paid for, right?". But when a leo has to use judgement in what force to use he or she will be second guessed for months by every idiot with an agenda.
I'm NOT saying that leo's haven't been guilty of mistakes, I'm just saying that the policeman is trying to do the best job he/she can. We all make mistakes at some point in time. Everytiime a leo shoots someone his/her job is in jeopardy, so trust me, they DON'T like to shoot anyone if they can avoid it.
I just don't see how anyone, thinking rationally, would be critical of a deputy who HAD to shoot a nutjob IN THE LEGS to stop him from potentially killing someone.
I seriously doubt if Dillon SC, HAS a standing SWAT team standing by 24hrs a day, at the ready, waiting for a psycho to start hurling lethal baseballs, and bats, at the general public. I doubt that the Deputy was "TAZER" equipped anyway, and even if he was ONLY he could determine if it would have been effective, or could have been applied safely by himself.
If someone's loved one had been killed by a bean ball while the Deputy was trying to keep from hurting the bg then he would have hell to pay...
Danged if he does, danged if he doesn't......
Moral: If you choose to throw baseballs at people you are ASKING to be stopped from doing so. Potentially lethally....
Good Job Mr. Deputy.
JMOFO
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AK-74me:
I was addessing the post on the previous page from TarpleyG...
I should have been specific as what post I was responding to, I guess, but I was so po at that inane posting that I forgot to take my usual "Zoloft, fiber, nap" before responding.. Normally I allow time to reflect and calm down when I read a stupid post, but just missed it this time.
I get so tired of everyone making "politically correct" observations at the actions of law enforcement that I just want to spit. When leo's save our bacon we feel, "well, that's what they're paid for, right?". But when a leo has to use judgement in what force to use he or she will be second guessed for months by every idiot with an agenda.
I'm NOT saying that leo's haven't been guilty of mistakes, I'm just saying that the policeman is trying to do the best job he/she can. We all make mistakes at some point in time. Everytiime a leo shoots someone his/her job is in jeopardy, so trust me, they DON'T like to shoot anyone if they can avoid it.
I just don't see how anyone, thinking rationally, would be critical of a deputy who HAD to shoot a nutjob IN THE LEGS to stop him from potentially killing someone.
I seriously doubt if Dillon SC, HAS a standing SWAT team standing by 24hrs a day, at the ready, waiting for a psycho to start hurling lethal baseballs, and bats, at the general public. I doubt that the Deputy was "TAZER" equipped anyway, and even if he was ONLY he could determine if it would have been effective, or could have been applied safely by himself.
If someone's loved one had been killed by a bean ball while the Deputy was trying to keep from hurting the bg then he would have hell to pay...
Danged if he does, danged if he doesn't......
Moral: If you choose to throw baseballs at people you are ASKING to be stopped from doing so. Potentially lethally....
Good Job Mr. Deputy.
JMOFO
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Some posters would seriously kill someone for throwing a baseball at you?
I would be mad but I don't think I would headshot them as one of the posters eluded to. Every threat doesn't demand destroying someone with a mag of .40. It makes me glad that this cop didn't have a volatile personality and was able to rationally interpret the threat level and deal with it in an appropriate way.
I'm more scared of some posters than some of these suspects and I don't mean to be insulting.
I would be mad but I don't think I would headshot them as one of the posters eluded to. Every threat doesn't demand destroying someone with a mag of .40. It makes me glad that this cop didn't have a volatile personality and was able to rationally interpret the threat level and deal with it in an appropriate way.
I'm more scared of some posters than some of these suspects and I don't mean to be insulting.
PX15
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Question for rich636
Story as described indicated bg was "throwing baseballs and bats at cars and people."
I feel sure the Deputy asked the wacko very nicely to stop throwing baseballs and bats at vehicles, or people as someone could be hurt?
If the bg ignored the officer, what was his next option?
I doubt if a "please" would do any good.
Rational people do not throw baseballs and bats in this manner. Therefore it would seem logical that this person was AT LEAST TEMPORARILY a nutjob. Right or wrong?
Dealing with an irrational person is dangerous in it's own right, add a baseball or baseball bat and it gets much more deadly. For all we know the bg was wacked out on drugs... We don't know what his problem was, we can ascertain however that he DID have a problem, right or wrong?
I think the deputy did what he thought best at the moment. I certainly don't care to 2nd guess him, you do?
Can't please all of the people all of them time, no matter how hard you try...
You certainly didn't insult me, but thanks for the courtesy of mentioned it.. BUT, if YOU were throwing baseballs or baseball bats with serious intentions at myself or my loved ones I'm not as good a shot as the deputy, therefore I would aim for center mass... But then again, that's just me.
Good job Mr. Deputy.
JMO, opposing opinions welcomed and cheerfully ignored.
Story as described indicated bg was "throwing baseballs and bats at cars and people."
I feel sure the Deputy asked the wacko very nicely to stop throwing baseballs and bats at vehicles, or people as someone could be hurt?
If the bg ignored the officer, what was his next option?
I doubt if a "please" would do any good.
Rational people do not throw baseballs and bats in this manner. Therefore it would seem logical that this person was AT LEAST TEMPORARILY a nutjob. Right or wrong?
Dealing with an irrational person is dangerous in it's own right, add a baseball or baseball bat and it gets much more deadly. For all we know the bg was wacked out on drugs... We don't know what his problem was, we can ascertain however that he DID have a problem, right or wrong?
I think the deputy did what he thought best at the moment. I certainly don't care to 2nd guess him, you do?
Can't please all of the people all of them time, no matter how hard you try...
You certainly didn't insult me, but thanks for the courtesy of mentioned it.. BUT, if YOU were throwing baseballs or baseball bats with serious intentions at myself or my loved ones I'm not as good a shot as the deputy, therefore I would aim for center mass... But then again, that's just me.
Good job Mr. Deputy.
JMO, opposing opinions welcomed and cheerfully ignored.
p35
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I'm always surprised at the number of times I've seen someone show up in court for a preliminary hearing 2-3 days after losing a shootout with police- usually on crutches or a wheelchair, but still out of the hospital. This is with multiple hits in the torso, too. Nobody wants to pay to keep some deadbeat in the hospital longer than necessary, and it gets more expensive when you're paying deputies or corrections officers overtime to sit in the guy's room guarding him. I knew one CO who more than doubled his base salary by picking up those assignments. The fact that he's been moved to the jail doesn't mean he's going to be on "Dancing with the Stars" this season.
I once saw a study- can't recall where now- that said LEOs actually shoot someone in about 6% of the situations where it would be justified. I've known LEOs to take crazy risks to avoid shooting someone. I'm sure this deputy tried to talk the guy into quieting down before he shot, and I'm not criticizing what he did.
I once saw a study- can't recall where now- that said LEOs actually shoot someone in about 6% of the situations where it would be justified. I've known LEOs to take crazy risks to avoid shooting someone. I'm sure this deputy tried to talk the guy into quieting down before he shot, and I'm not criticizing what he did.
PX15,
I see where you're coming from. Although I didn't have you in mind when I posted. I too am very protective of my family and friends. That being said, I think as a gun owning and gun enjoying community we should strive for temperance though, or we end up with a stigma of "Bubbas" that gun people down at the first sign of hostility. If he cocked a bat back at me from 6 ft away then of course I would go COM on him. We are in total agreement. I guess that wasn't the case though and the officer felt confident that wounding him would neutralize the threat. I think he should be lauded for being judicious in his application of force. He granted that suspect life and took the highroad.
I see where you're coming from. Although I didn't have you in mind when I posted. I too am very protective of my family and friends. That being said, I think as a gun owning and gun enjoying community we should strive for temperance though, or we end up with a stigma of "Bubbas" that gun people down at the first sign of hostility. If he cocked a bat back at me from 6 ft away then of course I would go COM on him. We are in total agreement. I guess that wasn't the case though and the officer felt confident that wounding him would neutralize the threat. I think he should be lauded for being judicious in his application of force. He granted that suspect life and took the highroad.
The_Antibubba
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I'm surprised nobody has asked the obvious question...
Was the deputy shooting hardball ammo?
Was the deputy shooting hardball ammo?
whats up with all these baseball incidents these last two months?
first we have a tball coach that tells one of his players to bean a teammate in the head for 25 bucks to keep him out of the game, then a dad recently attacked a 15 year old umpire officiating a minors game, and now a nutjob throwing baseballs at people and cars!
I dont know how close the cop got to the nutjob, but if he got to within talking distance then a throw baseball can and will kill you if your face, neck gets hit. (bats well we know what those can be used for.)
first we have a tball coach that tells one of his players to bean a teammate in the head for 25 bucks to keep him out of the game, then a dad recently attacked a 15 year old umpire officiating a minors game, and now a nutjob throwing baseballs at people and cars!
I dont know how close the cop got to the nutjob, but if he got to within talking distance then a throw baseball can and will kill you if your face, neck gets hit. (bats well we know what those can be used for.)
Byron Quick
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The effects of concussions are cumulative. Have you seen a recent interview with Muhammad Ali?
I've had three concussions. I've had a stroke. In March, I had a spinal cord tumor removed from my neck. If some idiot assaults me and there is the slightest chance of a blow to my head or neck then I will shoot to COM until the threat is stopped.
You can place whatever value on your life and your health you choose to, friend. You have to live with your decision and I have to live with mine.
Word of advice, though...if you are concerned about the well-being of folks who commit assault...convince them not to assault me. Due to physical disability, I can not fight them unarmed and I cannot evade or run from them. I can shoot them. I will. I won't be aiming for their legs.
P12
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If I had encountered this event, even with my CCW I would have retreated and called the cops. I'm not a cop. The .gov couldn't pay me enough to do it. If the dude was threatening me or someone else specifically then I would defend them or myself with my gun, bats are very lethal.
No one mentioned the fact the cop actually hit the small target of the legs. I read on these pages about how horrible shots most cops are and here is one who can put not one but two in the legs. Pretty darn good shooting if you ask me. Especially trying to stay out far enough to dodge the incoming wood and leather and make those shots.
My hats off to him.
No one mentioned the fact the cop actually hit the small target of the legs. I read on these pages about how horrible shots most cops are and here is one who can put not one but two in the legs. Pretty darn good shooting if you ask me. Especially trying to stay out far enough to dodge the incoming wood and leather and make those shots.
My hats off to him.
NineseveN
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No doubt, no second guess, no question.
Look, I probably have a darker past than most people here. Most people on THR are good folks and would never think to do some of the things I have done before I grew up and realized I didn't need to be that way any longer. For that, I commend them. I grew up in a gangland neighborhood, and I had a big mouth and a chip on my shoulder. But I digress...
I clocked someone in the skull with an Easton once. I nearly killed him. That was 10 years ago, he is still in a wheelchair and eats through a straw. He was an all-star basketball player, and now he can barely lift his head up to watch the games. Not that I feel bad for him, he should have kept the bowie knife in the car before he came to settle something with me over a girl. But, I am not going to give anyone the chance to do that or worse to me. If you have anything that I perceive as a weapon and you show intent to harm me or mine, some serious heat is coming your way, post haste.
Some of you may have never seen what a shot to the noggin can do from a baseball bat, a brick, a pool ball, a master lock...I have. It can kill you very easily, and the chance of permanently ruining your ????e are VERY real.
Seriously, given enough motivation, someone can kill or badly injure you with any number of dense, heavy or blunt objects (a guy was beat to death with an old Atlantic Bell rotary phone just 2 blocks from where I grew up). If you choose not to draw in that situation, it's your life, I respect your decision, please respect mine to the contrary.
Glad this worked out for the officer, and the BG didn't have to die.
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