elhombreconnonombre
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Any of you pards know this info? If so , how does this compare to the molds from the 2nd and 3rd gen Walkers and the Pedersoli Walker picket bulket mold?
Dimensions and weight of original as cast Walker needle niose picket bullets?
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a question with a lot of answers -none of which are in agreement. The Pedersoli bullet is a tight under in the Uberti Walker ram and the window APPEARS to be the same size as on original walkers. It seems unlikely that it would admit a much heavier bullet and if anybody wants to argue about it, I'm not interested.
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Well the pards over on the Colt forum dont have any answers either, including a coupl a fine fellers who reportedly own original Walkers with ironclad provenance per the 2003 TGCA Parade of Walkers. The Pedersoli mold makes a lightweight 170 grain pickett conical. I am going to play around with a pure lead teardrop sinker that has a similar profile put on a lathe and whittle it down to close to the original spec weight of 218 grains, fill up the swivel hole with molten lead then , use thus as a master for a plaster if paris mold. Once I test these out, I may modify a Pedersoli mold to make a heavier more historically accurate weight conical.
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mec
Between the discussion regarding the blown Walker cylinder where you posted some mighty fine old bullet pics, I have come up with estimates of the OAL of an original spec Walker conical of about .63 ". Though I don't have a Pedersoli mould to test, the loading aperture on my own two ASMs is quite large and looks to accomodate a conical up to .70" in length, not that I would want to, but it appears to have a much larger loading aperture than posessed by an Uberti Walker and closer to the size of the aperture in an original.
Between the discussion regarding the blown Walker cylinder where you posted some mighty fine old bullet pics, I have come up with estimates of the OAL of an original spec Walker conical of about .63 ". Though I don't have a Pedersoli mould to test, the loading aperture on my own two ASMs is quite large and looks to accomodate a conical up to .70" in length, not that I would want to, but it appears to have a much larger loading aperture than posessed by an Uberti Walker and closer to the size of the aperture in an original.
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The old -looking Walker in those pictures is original -E company number 39. I didn't have a replica on hand when I looked at it and took the pictures but comparing pictures, the window looks the same to me. The pedersoli bullet is a tight fit-particularly lengthwise in the Uberti window.
The are a real pain to load and you just about have to put a small bevel on the othewise flat base to get them to seat straight. One time, I didn't do this and the bullets were all over the target. I also shaped the loading lever to fit th needle-nose of the bullet.
The are a real pain to load and you just about have to put a small bevel on the othewise flat base to get them to seat straight. One time, I didn't do this and the bullets were all over the target. I also shaped the loading lever to fit th needle-nose of the bullet.
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From the various pics of some original civie and military Walkers the loading aperture appears to vary as if they were modified from the original. Yet another question, quien sabe?
Anyway, it does'nt exactly show that the new Colt's Revolving Pistol with its new battlefield cast conicals was a "plug and play" system, without room for mistakes.
From the various pics of some original civie and military Walkers the loading aperture appears to vary as if they were modified from the original. Yet another question, quien sabe?
Anyway, it does'nt exactly show that the new Colt's Revolving Pistol with its new battlefield cast conicals was a "plug and play" system, without room for mistakes.
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elhombreconnonombre
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Through a pard over on the Colt forum I've come up with an estimated OAL of .675 for an original transitional Walker conical which appears to be very close to the profile of the Walkers conical.
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Could you take one of your diy picket conicals and weigh one or two. Based on my calculations a bullet with a .45+ base and a length of .70+ should weigh considerably more than 170 grains as stated in "The Truth about Guns " Walker shooting article. But I have been wrong before.
Could you take one of your diy picket conicals and weigh one or two. Based on my calculations a bullet with a .45+ base and a length of .70+ should weigh considerably more than 170 grains as stated in "The Truth about Guns " Walker shooting article. But I have been wrong before.
they weigh 171 grains plus or minus a grain or so. The full diameter at the base is .454" It is a very sharp pointed bullet and I suppose the original might have had slightly less taper and weighed a bit more. These bullets came from the same mold as those mentioned in the TTAG article.
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Muchas gracias mec
Based on your experience, it looks like the Pedersoli mould produces a longer and considerably lighter conical than the original. The hunt continues for an original mould to measure. Roadtrip to Waco....yeehaw!
tu compadre,
elhombre
Based on your experience, it looks like the Pedersoli mould produces a longer and considerably lighter conical than the original. The hunt continues for an original mould to measure. Roadtrip to Waco....yeehaw!
tu compadre,
elhombre
the real answer would have to come from somebody with an original mold actually casting a bullet. The only other alternative is Stewie Griffin's time machine.
In any case, the picket-form bullet was such a lousy choice for revolvers that nobody saw fit to use it again.
In any case, the picket-form bullet was such a lousy choice for revolvers that nobody saw fit to use it again.
elhombreconnonombre
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My pard over on the Colt forum who owns s military Walker for which the late Robin Rapley was the broker at the 2003 Parade of Walkers, said his "Walker" mould is not in very good shape to mold a new conical (not that he would even do that) and has suspect provenance. The quest continues. Thanks again for your input.
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Elhombre, do you want this original bullet so you can compare and/or to compete against the Mississippi rifle's conical or patched round ball?
Plus if you can borrow someone's original you could make a newer identical mold and cast a conical from that instead of using an original mold that are probably in pretty poor shape and so valuable that no one wants to take a chance of something bad happening to it.
Plus if you can borrow someone's original you could make a newer identical mold and cast a conical from that instead of using an original mold that are probably in pretty poor shape and so valuable that no one wants to take a chance of something bad happening to it.
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I think Elhombre is trying to set up this test between the Mississippi Rifle and the Walker and eliminating as many ‘Modern’ variables as he can. He sure has enough written material to base this test on.
elhombreconnonombre
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At this point I would even like to get a diameter and OAL measurement from a 2nd/3rd gen Walker conical mold to see if they cast a bullet close to the 219 grain weight of an original. There have not been any pards over at Colt Forum who have volunteered to do so yet. I think I may make a trip to Waco to the Texas Ranger Hall of Fame to talk to the curator and see what I can find out about the original conical.
might be a good idea to call ahead to find out if they know anything and/or are willing to step up. They are not helpful about pictures and a few years ago at least, supposing they agreed to a supervised photograph session, they demanded surrender of all negatives or storage media. Those memory cards can get expensive.
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Dang!!!
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