Disabled man denied permit because of disability...

[whatbrick]

The four rules are a good set of common sense declarations that every gun-owner should follow, but they have absolutely nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment.

The Second Amendment does not guarantee the right of CCW. Why? Because CCW does not contribute to a well-regulated militia.

But it happens to be covered by "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" quite completely. A well-regulated militia is only one instance for why an armed populace is such a grand idea, and being a member of a militia was not needed in order to excercise the right because the right is centered on the individual, not the militia. The Founders made that clear in their writings.

 

[wedoadaa]

I happen to be a person in a wheelchair and have worked for 26 years in Law Enforcement (E911) and am 1 of only 150 people in the country trained by the Feds as a Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) consultant...and I have also had a CCW Permit for years.

I think the specific disability is causing people the most trouble however if he can pass the requirements, including demonstrating his proficiency then he should get the permit.

Under the ADA the State may be required to accommodate his disability and test him under the conditions that he is most likely to use his firearm. He is not likely to be shooting 25 yards in a self defense situation but could be very proficient in close contact which is much more likely to be the situation if he needed to defend himself.

Each situation is different but there are many capable People with Disabilities out there who CCW. (even though I have yet to find a comfortable way to carry and draw from a seated position.)

RandyW

 

[thorn726]

wow, this is taking it past the limit.

blind guy wants to shoot at a range or with friends, well, if i was at a range and blind guy showed up-
i'd leave. but hey, if people re gonna help make sure he's not aiming at things described in the four rules, great for him.

as far as for personal defense- a total load of bull.

will we be expected to forgive this guy for killing an innocent bystander when he attempts to use his weapon in self defense?

this is just silly.

 

[thorn726]

i will add as someone who spends 30-40 hours a week getting the disabled in and out of their wheelchairs, that a person is "disabled" should not by itself prevent people from owning guns.

problem for another thread possibly,

i have the gun discussion with many of the disabled i work for.
a great number support RBKA, but are disappointed at their own inability to operate a firearm
(it's really annoying/sad/frustrating how many are disabled to the point they can use hands, but not arms, or not fingers, or have on strength to handle recoil, aim , etc) - for them- we need weapons they can operate.
chair mounted button firing joystick aiming.
(HA- consider how much $ is spent for disabled to have companions simply because they are unable to travel alone safely at night in the city)

and the worst part of it- those who end up feeling that since they can't physically operate a firearm, no one should be able to.

really annoying that one. in particular i got one guy who has a nice house in a not so nice hood, he's disabled and his wife is - well his wife sohuld be packing for the both of them, seriously. but they are so afraid of guns "no one should have guns" ugh. so stupid. what are they gonna do when crackhead breaks in? i dont know, but we'll find out eventually for their hood.

so it is a problem, people who need guns for defense most are unable/unwilling to access them.

 

[JohnBT]

"blind guy wants to shoot at a range or with friends, well, if i was at a range and blind guy showed up-
i'd leave."

No, it's not silly. You're being narrow minded. Next you'll want the guy to stay home so he doesn't accidently walk out in front of your car and cause your insurance rates to go up.

BTW, would you like me to lend you a keyboard with a Shift key that works? If not, Windows contains Accessibility Options such as StickyKeys so you can hit the Shift key and then your letter all with one finger and get caps.

John

 

[Outlaw Man]

a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Who is the militia?

Any ABLE BODIED man woman or child capable of fighting (I forgot which document this is defined in)

I dunno, it sounds like this guy isn't able bodied to me. Not saying he has no rights, but I would say that he would need someone to be his eyes before he were to shoot. There's alot of risk associated with giving this guy a permit to carry.

I bolded the part you should be looking at. It doesn't say "the right of the militia to keep and bear arms..." It says "people." I'll take it a step further and say there are other rights that are not enumerated in the Constitution that are still unalienable.

Are we to deny the freedom of speech to someone who can't hear? Rights cannot be infringed upon, especially out of convenience.

It was asked if we would be expected to forgive this man if he killed an innocent bystander. I would ask if he would be expected to forgive us if we denied him the ability to defend himself and he ended up seriously wounded or dead.

 

[wjustinen]

Definition of Gun Control

a.) Concern about what someone else might do, resulting in rules/regulations/laws to prevent that action.

b.) Proper sight alignment and trigger control.

My vote has always been for b.) Unfortunately, as we see above, it isn't just the anti-gun elite who are in favor of a.)


:banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[DeltaGunner]

Justice is Blind

Got a blind friend. He amazes me with his uncanny senses of movement, hearing,smell. He can hear things coming smell familiar people and nameles other things. It's a trip, he's been to the range and at 15 ft. the rattle of the paper on the target frame gets him in there on a full size target, 95% of the time.
I think a sane responsible blind person who lives alone successfully should be allowed the ccw.
There are options to shot style cartridges in many many calibers, low to no penetration.
Let's face it attack a blind guy it's gonna be a close range attack, like hands on. While a rat shot 22 cal. might not kill an attacker, it will sure make him back up. Also minimizing danger to by standers.
There are reasonable solutions to some of the problems addressed here.
He and others like him should be given the same go at rights as anyone else.
I have a buddy from my unit in Nam he has no legs. Alterations have been made to a big motor home so he can drive it, 32 ft long Wonderlodge careaning down the road at 65mph, consider the consequinces of that.
We pick and choose what we want to regulate.......


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