Disappointed with Kahr
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Desk Jockey
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I bought a new MK-9 with night sights last November. No problems. Love the gun.
I really wanted a PM-9, but was a little gunshy (literally!) to purchase since most of Kahr's reported problems are with the polymer models. The MK's a little heavier than I wanted, but it's a sweet pistol. Glad I bought it.
I really wanted a PM-9, but was a little gunshy (literally!) to purchase since most of Kahr's reported problems are with the polymer models. The MK's a little heavier than I wanted, but it's a sweet pistol. Glad I bought it.
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Thanks for the replies, fellow shooters.
If I may-a couple of clarifications. I picked up the pistol yesterday afternoon from my local gunshop and have yet to actually fire it. I don't think it was cosmoline covering it(My CZ PO-1 had a thick, grease-like coating on it when i first purchased it-from what I read, this was cosmoline). The Kahr actually had a light coat of oil on the frame. I cleaned and lubed it very thoroughly once I got it home.
I also read the manual and am fully aware that Kahr recommends the break in period and the correct way to load the first road in the chamber. Because I value real world experience and the advice given on THR, I'd figure I'd post the "return to battery" question. The pistol has not failed to return to battery when I release the slide using the slide release. I'm not fortunate to have a range close enough to use on weekdays to fully put the gun through its functions.
I figure since Kahr has not returned my call yet(waiting 25 minutes on hold today and still no customer service
) I would asked fellow THR'rs for some advice.
Also, I know how silly the "hydraulic press" statement was, but I was just repeating what I was told-sorry to start the flame wars.
I do have to give Kahr credit, the pistol is a great size for ccw and the trigger is buttery smooth.
If I may-a couple of clarifications. I picked up the pistol yesterday afternoon from my local gunshop and have yet to actually fire it. I don't think it was cosmoline covering it(My CZ PO-1 had a thick, grease-like coating on it when i first purchased it-from what I read, this was cosmoline). The Kahr actually had a light coat of oil on the frame. I cleaned and lubed it very thoroughly once I got it home.
I also read the manual and am fully aware that Kahr recommends the break in period and the correct way to load the first road in the chamber. Because I value real world experience and the advice given on THR, I'd figure I'd post the "return to battery" question. The pistol has not failed to return to battery when I release the slide using the slide release. I'm not fortunate to have a range close enough to use on weekdays to fully put the gun through its functions.
I figure since Kahr has not returned my call yet(waiting 25 minutes on hold today and still no customer service
) I would asked fellow THR'rs for some advice.Also, I know how silly the "hydraulic press" statement was, but I was just repeating what I was told-sorry to start the flame wars.
I do have to give Kahr credit, the pistol is a great size for ccw and the trigger is buttery smooth.
I dont think anyone was flaming you, we were mostly probably just wondering if its true. I was anyway.
Try emailing Kahr instead of calling. It will get you the fastest response.
Like i said, just be patient and run the 200 rounds to break it in. Go get the rounds and maybe a small can of break free clp and some rags. If you have time, just run the whole 200 rounds through at one range session, periodically disassembling it and spray it out and clean it a bit because my E9 and my pm9 both start to jam a little or FTF after i run about 100 rounds through it non-stop. They are such tight guns that they just do that when they get dirty. Even bring 250-300 rounds with you so you can start to see the gun start to work the bugs out of itself.
I have a feeling you will be very happy when you get it broken in
Try emailing Kahr instead of calling. It will get you the fastest response.
Like i said, just be patient and run the 200 rounds to break it in. Go get the rounds and maybe a small can of break free clp and some rags. If you have time, just run the whole 200 rounds through at one range session, periodically disassembling it and spray it out and clean it a bit because my E9 and my pm9 both start to jam a little or FTF after i run about 100 rounds through it non-stop. They are such tight guns that they just do that when they get dirty. Even bring 250-300 rounds with you so you can start to see the gun start to work the bugs out of itself.
I have a feeling you will be very happy when you get it broken in
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Thanks h0ss.
I was thinking the same thing. My STI was also pretty tight when I bought it and it took 100-200 rounds to run smoothly.
I just wanted to get some opinions in case this was abnormal so that when I finally reached Kahr, I could mnetion this also-if it was a problem.
I was thinking the same thing. My STI was also pretty tight when I bought it and it took 100-200 rounds to run smoothly.
I just wanted to get some opinions in case this was abnormal so that when I finally reached Kahr, I could mnetion this also-if it was a problem.
Golddog
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My CW9, bought a month ago, was very nicely finished inside and out, and it was 100% reliable right from the box. I sold it only because I prefer cocked and locked SA triggers.
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I have never owned a Kahr, although I have always fancied one of the steel framed 9mm's. One thing that is important point out Kahr recommends a 200 round break in period (at least according to the manual). With that in mind, you probably are going to experience some issues, and it should smooth up. I have never had an experience with Kahrs, but the few people I know that shoot them report that the break-in period is a must, and it does work.
Just something to keep in mind.
Just something to keep in mind.
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I have not had any rangetime with it yet-lots of family events this weekend. I'm really anxious to beak it in, though.
By the way, Kahr customer service returned my call Friday afternoon while I was at work. The call came 20 minutes before they closed for the week and I was unable to reach them till afterhours. Will try again tommorow. I may have better luck through email.
By the way, Kahr customer service returned my call Friday afternoon while I was at work. The call came 20 minutes before they closed for the week and I was unable to reach them till afterhours. Will try again tommorow. I may have better luck through email.
I bought a PM9 a month or two ago and have really grown to love it. At first I was lukewarm since I didn't seem to shoot it as well as I had hoped (I had heard they were so much easier to shoot accurately than a j frame, which does take some practice but with which I am very accurate with that practice) but I have found that again with practice and getting used to the triiger the Kahr is also pretty accurate. It has goobled up every type of ammo I have fed it--including numerous sorts of hollowpoints including 147 grainers without a hickup of any sort so far. I've got so it's in my shorts pocket pretty much all the time around the house. Oh, and I let it go for several hundred rounds between cleaning recently out of curiosity and it still never bobbled. Hopefully you get yours back and it runs like a champ in the same fashion, and if so I predict you'll soon learn to love yours as well.
romma
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My Kahr PM9 Kicks butt!
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Just a follow up-
Last Friday I spoke with Jason at Kahr who was very apologetic and offered to pay for the shipping to the factory for the fix.
I sent the slide to Kahr on Friday. They received it Monday, and I had it back by Wednesday.
I have not had the opportunity to take it to the range but will post a report as soon as possible.
Overall, I was very satisfied with Kahr's customer service.
Last Friday I spoke with Jason at Kahr who was very apologetic and offered to pay for the shipping to the factory for the fix.
I sent the slide to Kahr on Friday. They received it Monday, and I had it back by Wednesday.
I have not had the opportunity to take it to the range but will post a report as soon as possible.
Overall, I was very satisfied with Kahr's customer service.
I've owned two Kahrs, P40 and K40. You could not give me another one. The P40 suffered the barrel peening and multiple types of failures. The K40 just had the barrel peening issues that I can recall. There are so many better options out there for a subcompact handgun, without the super-long DA trigger pull with better QC.
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i bought a kahr cw9 earlier in the summer about 3 months ago, ive fired aprox. 700 rounds through the gun and, knock on wood, i havent had any problems. accuracy is pretty good and the gun is very reliable. ive never had a misfeed or a f.t.e., and when i picked up the gun, it was nothing but clean inside and out.
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I have a lot of respect for Kahr. Their CS is great and the all steel guns are the best. Stay away from the plastic junk they call guns. I was surprised to see this thread invloved an all steel gun, almost all problems I have encountered or heard of involved the plastic nightmares.
Anyway, the slide not returning into battery is not unheard since it is new. Kahrs MUST have a break in period of at least 200rds. Some guns like Glocks run great out of the box but Kahrs are a little tighter and more precisely machined and they need some lube and some break-in. Note, I said LUBE. Many Kahrs come from the factory pretty dry. Lube all normal parts and lube the trigger as well. I have seen a lot of used Kahrs that people have traded in before the 200rd break-in get sold for a loss because they say the trigger is not smooth and it may have some jams. After 200rds, clean and lube it and you should be good to go, if not, then send it back.
As for the sight on backwards, that is strange but these guns are made by people and people make mistakes. I wouldn't let that sour you on Kahrs and esp not on the MK-9 as I think it is a great little gun with no peer.
Anyway, the slide not returning into battery is not unheard since it is new. Kahrs MUST have a break in period of at least 200rds. Some guns like Glocks run great out of the box but Kahrs are a little tighter and more precisely machined and they need some lube and some break-in. Note, I said LUBE. Many Kahrs come from the factory pretty dry. Lube all normal parts and lube the trigger as well. I have seen a lot of used Kahrs that people have traded in before the 200rd break-in get sold for a loss because they say the trigger is not smooth and it may have some jams. After 200rds, clean and lube it and you should be good to go, if not, then send it back.
As for the sight on backwards, that is strange but these guns are made by people and people make mistakes. I wouldn't let that sour you on Kahrs and esp not on the MK-9 as I think it is a great little gun with no peer.
buenhec
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MK9, 500 rounds so far with +p and no problems. Love it. I did stay away from the PM9.
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I actually had a cycling problem with my PM40. [At the top of the gun where the barrel and slide meet I could see some peening (metal of the slide rolling back). You are recommended to fire at least 200 rounds through it to break it in. I would do this first then if it won't slide back into battery after being fired send it back to be repaired I had to do this and can assure you that I found their customer service to be outstanding. Their turn around time was within a week of receiving the gun. I haven't had any problem with it since. Today, I find it to be a great concealed carry gun. For me, it was worth the trouble to have such a fine pocket pistol.
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Bought mine used, and it developed the dreaded barrel peening (it was within the serial number range). Called and talked to Dottie, asked if I could send in the top half only to save on shipping (able to use US Postal Service for the slide/barrel.recoil spring).
They had it about a week, replaced all top end parts, including new night sights, shipped back on their dime. Worked perfectly from round #1. Still working perfectly, and I carry it every day.
Kahr's CS worked perfectly for me, and the PM9 likewise. If I could only have one CCW pistol, it would not be a difficult decision.
If I could only have one pistol period, it would be a bit tougher, but the outcome would likely be the same.
They had it about a week, replaced all top end parts, including new night sights, shipped back on their dime. Worked perfectly from round #1. Still working perfectly, and I carry it every day.
Kahr's CS worked perfectly for me, and the PM9 likewise. If I could only have one CCW pistol, it would not be a difficult decision.
If I could only have one pistol period, it would be a bit tougher, but the outcome would likely be the same.
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Just a follow up-
This weekend I was finally able to take the MK9 to the range. Fired 100 rounds of Indepenence 124g without a single hiccup.
I took along a first time shooter and even he had no problems using it.
Most of the shots were done at 7 and 15 yrds and the groups were plenty accurate enough for my SD purposes.
Aside from the original sight issue I really am impressed thus far with the MK9 and Kahr.
This weekend I was finally able to take the MK9 to the range. Fired 100 rounds of Indepenence 124g without a single hiccup.
I took along a first time shooter and even he had no problems using it.
Most of the shots were done at 7 and 15 yrds and the groups were plenty accurate enough for my SD purposes.
Aside from the original sight issue I really am impressed thus far with the MK9 and Kahr.
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I thought it was a nice gun, but the mag kept falling out when we shot the thing. My friend just traded his in though instead of dealing with it. At least they fix the stuff that is screwed up though without much hassle.
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