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HOMELAND IN SECURITY
Feds packing heat on planes: A safety issue?
Concerns raised that EPA, FDIC agents carry guns, while pilots restricted
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Posted: January 9, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Ron Strom
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Though commercial airline pilots must go through a strict, complex process to be allowed to carry a handgun in the cockpit, federal agents – from agencies such as the Department of Education and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation – routinely carry guns into airports and onto airplanes – a fact that raises safety concerns with pilots.
"It's just crazy," Capt. Greg Rice, a pilot with American Airlines, told WorldNetDaily. "[Federal agents] don't need guns on my airplane or in the terminal."
Rice explained employees with several federal agencies routinely carry their concealed guns onto commercial flights when they have "official duty status." The agents fill out forms with the ticket agents, which then are forwarded to the gate agents and on to the pilots, Rice said. That informs the pilot an armed federal agent will be flying with him.
Dave Adams of the Federal Air Marshal Service confirmed such federal agents initially check in at ticket counters to present their identification.
"Usually the agents will poke their head in the cockpit and say hi" before the plane takes off, Rice said.
He emphasized these armed agents are not designated federal air marshals, but come from many different agencies in the government. A fellow pilot of Rice recently flew with an armed employee of the Environmental Protection Agency.
Rice says he has no problem with the agents having concealed weapons if they are needed at their destination, but there is no reason they need them on an airplane. They should be in their checked baggage, he said.
"Why would a Department of Education official need a gun on my airplane?" Rice asked. "To guard test scores?"
Rice says he and other pilots have complained to the airlines, but management says their hands are tied due to federal regulations that allow the feds to carry firearms onboard.
"They've been getting a lot of complaints from pilots," he said.
Rice, who spent 21 years in the military and is an expert marksman, pointed out the irony of a policy that prevents him from protecting his plane with a firearm without an extensive Federal Flight Deck Officer training program, at his own expense, while countless federal agents are allowed guns on planes. He is scheduled to take the training in April.
Rice flew on Christmas Day during a heightened state of alert around the world. He said if he had received notice a federal agent named "Akmed Ahmed" was flying on his plane with a gun, he would have protested.
"I'm not going to let Akmed Ahmed fly on my plane with a gun," he said.
"As the captain, I am responsible for the safety of 142 passengers and six crewmembers," he told WND, "and I am not given any information on the armed passengers' level of training, experience, mental or emotional stability or if they hit the airport bar before getting on my aircraft."
Rice questioned the process of filling out paperwork to board a plane armed and expressed concern about the possibility of terrorists "falsifying the forms."
"Are the forms under lock and key?" he asked.
The captain pointed out even when he completes the armed-pilot training program, he still will be prohibited from carrying a gun when he is "deadheading" on a plane, traveling to an airport to catch a plane he is scheduled to pilot.
Said Rice, "Even though I know aircraft systems, airline crew procedures and am a trained marksman, the Department of Education worker has easy and instant access to a gun in-flight, and I will not."
Indeed, as WorldNetDaily reported, pilots have complained about the armed-pilots program instituted last year, saying after the training they are subject to guidelines for carrying guns through airports and even in cockpits that are more restrictive than those for other armed federal agents, who have far fewer limitations and can access their weapons much more readily.
The Transportation Security Administration, which enforces the regulations governing firearms on planes, would say very little about the process of credentialing federal and non-federal law-enforcement personnel who board jets armed, citing security reasons.
Said spokesman Darrin Kayser: "There's nothing we can comment on the process involved. We don't want anyone to be able to gain that system and develop false credentials and be able to know the process."
Kayser told WND the information about the process "is considered SSI – Sensitive Secret Information."
When asked why an agent from the Department of Education might need to carry a concealed weapon, a spokesman from the agency cited the example of an investigator probing a trade school under suspicion of student-loan fraud. Seventy agents from the department's inspector general's office are authorized to carry a sidearm.
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Too expensive to arm pilots?
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Ron Strom is a news editor for WorldNetDaily.com.
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HOMELAND IN SECURITY
Feds packing heat on planes: A safety issue?
Concerns raised that EPA, FDIC agents carry guns, while pilots restricted
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Posted: January 9, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Ron Strom
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Though commercial airline pilots must go through a strict, complex process to be allowed to carry a handgun in the cockpit, federal agents – from agencies such as the Department of Education and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation – routinely carry guns into airports and onto airplanes – a fact that raises safety concerns with pilots.
"It's just crazy," Capt. Greg Rice, a pilot with American Airlines, told WorldNetDaily. "[Federal agents] don't need guns on my airplane or in the terminal."
Rice explained employees with several federal agencies routinely carry their concealed guns onto commercial flights when they have "official duty status." The agents fill out forms with the ticket agents, which then are forwarded to the gate agents and on to the pilots, Rice said. That informs the pilot an armed federal agent will be flying with him.
Dave Adams of the Federal Air Marshal Service confirmed such federal agents initially check in at ticket counters to present their identification.
"Usually the agents will poke their head in the cockpit and say hi" before the plane takes off, Rice said.
He emphasized these armed agents are not designated federal air marshals, but come from many different agencies in the government. A fellow pilot of Rice recently flew with an armed employee of the Environmental Protection Agency.
Rice says he has no problem with the agents having concealed weapons if they are needed at their destination, but there is no reason they need them on an airplane. They should be in their checked baggage, he said.
"Why would a Department of Education official need a gun on my airplane?" Rice asked. "To guard test scores?"
Rice says he and other pilots have complained to the airlines, but management says their hands are tied due to federal regulations that allow the feds to carry firearms onboard.
"They've been getting a lot of complaints from pilots," he said.
Rice, who spent 21 years in the military and is an expert marksman, pointed out the irony of a policy that prevents him from protecting his plane with a firearm without an extensive Federal Flight Deck Officer training program, at his own expense, while countless federal agents are allowed guns on planes. He is scheduled to take the training in April.
Rice flew on Christmas Day during a heightened state of alert around the world. He said if he had received notice a federal agent named "Akmed Ahmed" was flying on his plane with a gun, he would have protested.
"I'm not going to let Akmed Ahmed fly on my plane with a gun," he said.
"As the captain, I am responsible for the safety of 142 passengers and six crewmembers," he told WND, "and I am not given any information on the armed passengers' level of training, experience, mental or emotional stability or if they hit the airport bar before getting on my aircraft."
Rice questioned the process of filling out paperwork to board a plane armed and expressed concern about the possibility of terrorists "falsifying the forms."
"Are the forms under lock and key?" he asked.
The captain pointed out even when he completes the armed-pilot training program, he still will be prohibited from carrying a gun when he is "deadheading" on a plane, traveling to an airport to catch a plane he is scheduled to pilot.
Said Rice, "Even though I know aircraft systems, airline crew procedures and am a trained marksman, the Department of Education worker has easy and instant access to a gun in-flight, and I will not."
Indeed, as WorldNetDaily reported, pilots have complained about the armed-pilots program instituted last year, saying after the training they are subject to guidelines for carrying guns through airports and even in cockpits that are more restrictive than those for other armed federal agents, who have far fewer limitations and can access their weapons much more readily.
The Transportation Security Administration, which enforces the regulations governing firearms on planes, would say very little about the process of credentialing federal and non-federal law-enforcement personnel who board jets armed, citing security reasons.
Said spokesman Darrin Kayser: "There's nothing we can comment on the process involved. We don't want anyone to be able to gain that system and develop false credentials and be able to know the process."
Kayser told WND the information about the process "is considered SSI – Sensitive Secret Information."
When asked why an agent from the Department of Education might need to carry a concealed weapon, a spokesman from the agency cited the example of an investigator probing a trade school under suspicion of student-loan fraud. Seventy agents from the department's inspector general's office are authorized to carry a sidearm.
Related stories:
TSA procedures 'discourage' armed pilots
Pilots to Feds: Arm us faster!
Coming soon: Pilots packing heat
Widow of slain 9-11 pilot bashes Congress
Pilots' group decries missile deployment
Too expensive to arm pilots?
Bush's armed pilot plan called 'bad joke'
Pilots press Senate for guns in cockpits
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Ron Strom is a news editor for WorldNetDaily.com.
