Do gangsters really use UZIs in real life?

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I tell ya what, I'll ask the gang bangers in a couple weeks and get back with ya. Typically they just talk of cals as in the 9mil, 4-0 or 4-5. So far I have not gotten the idea they are too picky. Proud of the bullet scars though. For sure, they are not very good in terms of gun control.

I can tell ya this much, the kids do not have the values of those even 10 years ago. Anything goes now days.
 
You can get a semiauto Mac-10 or mac-11 at gunshows pretty cheaply.

At one time, mac-10s were very easy to convert to full auto, but have since been changed internally to make it a LOT harder to do.

So, whe the mac-10s were easy to convert, I have no doubt a lot of gangbangers had converted illegal full auto mac10s in the early 80's

Hollywood just never really kept up with the times, and didn't realize that most of the guns used by gangbangers are notm well cared for, and so lasting 20 years isn't likely, plus simply the necessity to dump guns because you don't want to get caught with them or whatever, so the plethora of mac-10s found in 1983 or whenever, are no longer floating aorund on the streets.

Of course, after the Mac-10 supply dried up, Tech-9 was what was chosen. It was inexpensive and somewhat easy to convert to full auto.
 
Many different models of Uzis that were around in the 80's. Think to how a bunch of Semi-auto only legal AKs started showing up in the United States. Well when the Uzi was replaced by the Israelis in large part with other models, the Egyptians followed suit. Many Uzis made their way into the hands of South American Drug Lords and many of those drug lords sent their guys to the U.S. and it's not impossible that many of those guys sold the guns to get their hands on AKs to send them back.

A neighbor of my parents I have shot with time and again is a retired DEA agent and told me stories about Uzis being used as currency, whole crates of Israeli made 1969 & 1971 era Uzis, now that might only be a couple dozen Uzis in actuality but those Uzis might trade for a whole bunch of drugs, legal AKs still well able to be converted to full-auto with some machine shop work with skilled hands.

Also some Uzis in the past came into the country as legal semi-auto only and the occassional enterprising gangbanger could figure out to convert to full out, some time with a mill press, a chisel, a file, and a full auto fire group(which one might be able to make themselves with patience and scrap metal), and you might have a rickety full-auto version to sell on the streets for five or six 'k' to some wannabe drug dealer.

Uzis were the thing once upon a time, and lets be a little real here, it's not unheard of Israeli military weaponry ending up in the hands of criminals and terrorists, i.e. FARC having Israeli Heavy Machine guns and FALs not to mention Galils but those could have easily come from South Africa after the end of Apartheid. Then throw in the Egyptian, Jordanian, and I think Russian models (not exactly the same but I think I remember reading they had a model quite similar to one).

I've seen some of the Mac Carbines and have given thought to either one of them or an AR15 converted to 9mm (would finally have a reason to reload the caliber), granted I'm leaning to the AR15.
 
I don't know there's a lot of profit in crack

Well, it depends on who you are. Check out Gang Leader for a Day by Sudhir Venkatesh.

A decently-organized gang in a decently-sized city can make a million dollars selling crack really, really quickly.
 
????

"Uzis are too heavy and have too slow of cycle rate."

while they can shoot up to 1200 rounds/min in stock configuration, and up to 2000 rounds/min if modified, the MAC is ~easily~ faster at dumping empties than the Uzi.

but the full size uzi has a 600 rounds/min cyclic rate, and the mini uzi has a 900 rounds/min cyclic rate. the M-16 has a 650-900 rounds/min, cyclic depending on model. the AK also has a 600 round/min rate.

at the mini Uzi rate, 15 rounds/sec, it will empty a 30 round magazine in 2 seconds.....

please define "slow cyclic rate".

gunnie
 
It very well may be a MAC-10 in the specific scene shown on the Movie Firearms Database. However, there are multiple scenes in the film with submachine guns, and one of them definitely has an Uzi in it.

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Look at the folding stock in the back which tapers down to a point, the raised lines along the side, the rounded handguard in front, and the distinctive semi-circular profile of the sights. That is an Uzi.
 
GH,

That's an Uzi in post #33. The sight wings, the barrel nut, the stock, and the curves on the receiver give it away.



On a side note, that guy in the picture will NOT enjoy the experiece of shooting that Uzi. The hot brass will be hitting him in the face!



-- John
 
Yeah and unless he does 35 pound curls with his left hand in the gym all day long its gonna be shooting at the sky after the first 3 rounds.
 
Yea golden, that is definitely an UZI in that pic, but when I first saw your post, I thought that was photoshopped because I didn't remember seeing a gun at all in that particular scene where the driver is looking out. I now have an excuse to watch the movie again ;)

On a side note, that guy in the picture will NOT enjoy the experiece of shooting that Uzi. The hot brass will be hitting him in the face!
Yea that's true, I didn't notice the breech was right in his face. Freaking hilarious.
 
Yeah, the first time a hot casing goes in his eye, he's going to drop that thing and start screaming like a b****.

He's also got it pointed directly at the driver.
 
I guess those guys are supposed to look scary...

If the dude started shooting that Uzi, 2 things would happen.

1.) As JWarren said, hot brass in the face.

2.) Recoil would cause the gun to twist out of his hand and he would drop it.
 
Back in '92, right before we moved out of our bad neighborhood, some rivals shot up a Jaguar owned by one of the drug-dealing punks in our local drug house.

There was no doubt whatsoever that it was full-auto. I remember thinking the crack sounded more like 9mm that .45 ACP.

When I told one of the cops on the scene that it was full auto, he said, "we don't have machine guns in Milwaukee." I said, "bull. I have one in my house. Of course I have the ATF Form 4 for it, but I know what full auto sounds like."

I'm guessing that if you go high up on the food chain in a large gang, the guys at the top would have some full auto's. The street guys probably wouldn't. There just aren't that many to steal, and I'm sure they're not going to pay $15K or more for a gun of any kind, and it's unlikely a chief or sheriff will sign a Form 4, even with no priors, if the chief or sheriff has been warned about the applicant.
 
2.) Recoil would cause the gun to twist out of his hand and he would drop it.

LOL.

You're talking about a pistol caliber out of a 6ish pound rifle.

Recoil on a fullsize SMG is basically non-existent.
 
I work in the criminal justice field, representing many defendants as defense counsel, including organized crime (OC) defendants.

"Gangsters" can mean a lot of different things to different people.

First, you have the punk kids, usually in their teens but sometimes in their middle twenties. These guys may belong to loosely organized gangs, whose principal purpose is street credibility and socialization. Only a limited amount of organized crime is undertaken by the punk kids, usually distribution of pills or pot and occasional very low level burglary. These guys know nothing about guns except what they think they know from movies and video games. Toss a gun into their hand, and they very probably could not clear it, load it, cycle it or fire it. Most of these guys actually carry bb pistols, a completely lunatic thing to do. Some have cheap rifles and shotguns, covered all over with cheap tacticool gear and painted with Testors Gloss Black. Pretty pathetic, all in all.

Second, you have organized criminals. I'm not referring here to syndicate guys, who will be discussed below. Organized criminals may be broken down into actors and associates. Actors are engaged in active criminal conspiracies to make their living; everything from burglary to arson to extortion to theft to drugs, to ... other things. Associates do business with the actors. The associates may enable some of the actors' crimes, but do not typically take active roles in them. Associates typically do not have significant criminal histories, and often occupy positions of respect and trust. Actors typically have been disqualified from firearms ownership at some point in their careers, either as felons, as domestic abusers, or as conditions of bail, probation or parole. Accordingly, they no longer use guns very much, though they may keep a pistol hidden in a wall safe. Associates, on the other hand, not only often own guns, but because of their relatively clean hands, often carry weapons as de facto bodyguards to the actors, in addition to their other duties. Actors tend not to even touch the associates' weapons, for well-grounded fear of legal liability. Full-auto weapons are occasionally held by assocates, and much more rarely by actors; they are never used in actual crimes, as the actors know better and the associates don't want to get involved in wild stuff like that. Much more common are large handguns and small concealable rifles and shotguns.

Finally, there are the syndicate guys, with whom I am least familiar of the three groups. Surprisingly, quite a few of these guys and their associates possess full auto weapons, often legally. It's more a status thing, to show off to their buddies and impress others that their bodyguard detail is heavily armed and capable. Occasionally, syndicate guys actually USE a full auto weapon on the job, but that is rare other than in the case of a desperate wiseguy out of his head and fearing imminent death.

So that's the long way of saying that while there's some truth to the Hollywood myth, the reality of firearms and OC looks nothing like Hollywood makes it out to be.
 
are never used in actual crimes

I'm going to have to disagree seeing as how I was a victim by association in a drive-by shooting in which the shooters used multiple full auto weapons.

Many gang members around the area are illegal immigrants from different islands in the Caribbean. Where it might be a little easier to obtain a full auto weapon illegally. And anyone with a friend with a decent boat can bring it into the country.
 
A good point. I happen to live in an unusual northern State, where most organized crime is of a character unknown to most parts of the country. Wild west shootouts with full auto UZIs are unheard of around here, though back during prohibition, and even during the World Wars, the coast saw some pretty hair-raising gun battles. One in awhile a rum runner would get blown up.
 
Hankdatank,
Interesting information but unfortunately the data is more than a decade old. It cites info from the 1970's through the early 1990's. In the report it mentions a couple of times that the manufacturing rates and uses are shifting from mostly revolvers to semi-autos. I'd say at this point that at this point that's grossly understated. What types of guns used it crimes has also, I am certain, shifted as well. For example, I don't think Lorcin and Jennings exist any more (or have since changed names) so I doubt they've been at the top of the list any time recently.
 
Here are the facts. Gangsters use whatever they can get their hands on. If it goes bang at a good price then that's what they will buy. Believe me, I know.
 
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