Do gun manufacturers really pay attention to us?

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CZ USA keeps an ear to CZ Forum, as well as thier own sponsored shooter, Angus Hobdell, has his own forum on CZF. CZ USA does try to get CZ UB to listen too, but sometimes things are just lost in translation, or we'd had the CZ 97 in 10mm a long time ago....
 
i think we forgot HK, they are a major player in the firearms market.

since the ban expired and HK has a U.S. factory, alot of people have been wondering if HK is going to start manufacturing the 91, 93, 94, SP-89, etc. again as a domestically produced firearm. HK has not said yes or no, but i am not expecting them to do so.

it sure would be nice! :)
 
Someone told me on this board that HK said they will not produce mil style semi auto rifles inside the US, for one reason or another. Anyone yea/nay?
 
I think all firearms mfgrs owe citizens

...a sincere apology. Quite honestly, they've all done something offensive to us and often at our expense. Each and every single firearms manufacturer, distributor, and dealer could do more for the citizen but realistically it is a two way street.

First, before we cast a net of responsibility over the firearms manufacturers let us first examine our own actions. While we lament the "new 1911's and .40 tupperware" we continue to buy them. Moreover, we don't ask for, demand, or get enough political support from them and that has got to change. Gun owners are a fickle bunch, but by and large if you produce a good product, people will buy it. Just as the bill of rights guarantees the citizens' certain inalienable rights there are responsibilities with those rights. There are responsibilities in the corporate world as well and first and foremost has to be treating your customer base with respect.

The so called Assault Weapons Ban was one hateful piece of legislation in which each and every manufacturer of a semi-automatic firearm didn't do enough to protect US, and they complied with the law by financically penalizing us. Every manufacturer of semi automatics in '94 - '04 who sold standard capactiy magazines to ANY government entity didn't do enough.

Those limited capacity mags - who do you think paid for the new tooling associated with making them? Citizens.

When AWB was about to expire, where were the manufacturers calling for it to expire? Nowhere.

All of the manufacturers who sold government agencies other than the D.O.D. standard capacity magazines did so at our expense.

Nothing other than corporate greed prevented them from implementing a policy of "Not legal for citizens, not available for government". It's simple, but it's not simplistic. If government wants a magazine capacity restriction, it shall be imposed upon them as well and if they use anything other than the supplied magazines, warranty voided. If the manufacturers roll over again the next time a ban comes up, WE have to hold their feet to the fire. Instead of just lobbying Congress, state legislatures etc. we need to be hitting up the manufacturers - this affects us all, we need your help!

THose kinds of 'political stands' will no doubt cost government contract money, but will gain citizen sales to offset the loss, and then some.
 
Well, I know that pros and regular folks have asked Glock for a slim nine directly and were turned down cold.

I think it is a strange mix. Some guns were so hideous that how could market research be done - like those giant Centennial pattern, 8 shot (?) hammerless 38 SPLs from SW.

A Sc 942 from Smith would sell. But we don't see it.
 
What is the world wide ratio for gun sales to private parties vs agencies? That will tell you who they listen to. I've read that 70% of gun sales world wide are to various governmental agencies.
 
You'd be surprised...

The manufacturers who would own up to numbers when I asked last year was between 65 - 75% citizen sales to LE and this was inclusive of major LE contract pursuers. HOWEVER, the LE market / military contracts are guaranteed sales - they set the production line for 1500 guns, all 1500 get distributed and sold... Not always so with citizen guns.
 
Get some CNC tools and make your own.

Then you have no one to blame but yourself.

Of course, you will have to jump through a multitude of hoops to do this legally...

Perhaps that might explain part of it?
 
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