MSRP of guns, is this a game?

[GRIZ22]

Just remember the s in msrp means suggested. The retail prices the OP listed are based on what that retailer figures he has to make. Supply and demand also affect the retail price. Low supply and high demand mean a retailer can get more than msrp. Just doing business oin a capitalist society. If you want the same price everywhere go to North Korea.

 

[NoVA Shooter]

Just remember the s in msrp means suggested. The retail prices the OP listed are based on what that retailer figures he has to make. Supply and demand also affect the retail price. Low supply and high demand mean a retailer can get more than msrp. Just doing business oin a capitalist society. If you want the same price everywhere go to North Korea.

The OP's question stemmed from the fact that the MSRP was different for the same item, not that the retail price was different (again, the qualifier 'suggested' refers to the retail price, not to the MSRP itself). The difference in MSRPs begged the question "Does a manufacturer suggest different retail prices for the same item?" Fair enough question that has had reasonable/logical answers.

 

[packpike]

Unfortunately most of these posts are not answering the OP's question. I'll give some insight on varying MSRP's from another industry (clothing). We put MSRP's on our goods based on what the retailer wants them to be. It all depends on their pricing strategy (EDLP, regular sales, coupons, etc). So it's the same garment, but it could be in different packaging with a different UPC, and the MSRP's vary wildly.

 

[pendennis]

Exactly which law requires MSRP?

There are a number of states, in their consumer laws, which require an MSRP label. The laws date from the 1920's when the first consumer protection laws came about. The original idea was to keep manufacturers and retailers from forming cabals. The MSRP's and various fair trade laws arose from those early efforts.

MSRP's are mostly a holdover from those early laws, but until state legislatures repeal those laws, attorneys general make reputations by "protecting the consumer".

At one time goods were "fair traded" to keep "mom and pop" in business with the bigger retailers who could afford to discount prices. One example of fair traded goods were Levi's jeans. You paid the same price at the corner store, as you did at the big box retailers.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

There are a number of states, in their consumer laws, which require an MSRP label.

Which states? The concept of MSRP certainly came out of concerns about price fixing, but that is why it is called "suggested".

Clearly there's the Monroney sticker for automobiles, but I'm curious which states legally require a manufacturer to list a MSRP as opposed to no price at all.

 

[Ed Ames]

Regarding "suggested"... Since 2008 manufacturers have had the ability to set an actual minimum retail price. "Leegin", if you want to search.

 

[buck460XVR]

(again, the qualifier 'suggested' refers to the retail price, not to the MSRP itself).

Wrong.......... the final sale price(retail price) has nuttin' to do with MSRP. The qualifier "suggested" refers only to the MSRP. Only by your transposition of it and your subjective definition, does the final sale price have anything to do with it. MSRP is exactly what I and everyone else here has defined it as ....a price suggested by the manufacturer for which they suggest the item should sell for. The final sale price is not suggested by the manufacturer, but determined by the retailer by demand, supply and the pricing of other local retailers. Nuttin' really complicated about it. You want to teach English, sentence structure and subjective interpretation, try a English Lit forum.

While the thread may have originated from the OPs query of why there are different MSRPs for the same item, his opening sentence, which by most English teacher's claims, is a synopsis of the whole paragraph and sets the subject is....

Confused about what MSRP is. I was under the assumption that it was manufacturers suggested retail price. What am I missing here?

IOWs, what is MSRP.


That said...again, in simple terms and plain English. MSRP means little in the retail market as items can and will be sold for over and under if allowed by local/state laws. Displaying different MSRPs can be anything from buying from the wholesaler at a different time, the manufacturer making a change, small differences in packaging or small differences in that model, even when the model number is the same. Example in the gun world......a 686 plus is a 686 plus regardless if it's a standard production model or a limited run for Talo or Lew Horton. While there may be a difference in suggested retail price(there generally is) whether or not your local retailer sells them for more or less than a standard 686 plus(or the MSRP for that matter) is entirely up to him. If one looks at the ads for online retailers there is always that disclaimer on the bottom. which means they are not responsible for mistakes or variances in the descriptions and/or prices of an item.

 

[NoVA Shooter]

Wrong.......... the final sale price(retail price) has nuttin' to do with MSRP.

Never said it did. However, you are wrong (or should I say, this is not always correct). There are times when a manufacturer will not allow a vendor to mark down the MSRP more than a certain %. In cases like these, MSRP does have something to do with the final price.

The qualifier "suggested" refers only to the MSRP. Only by your transposition of it and your subjective definition, does the final sale price have anything to do with it. MSRP is exactly what I and everyone else here has defined it as ....a price suggested by the manufacturer for which they suggest the item should sell for. The final sale price is not suggested by the manufacturer, but determined by the retailer by demand, supply and the pricing of other local retailers. Nuttin' really complicated about it.

Sigh...

The manufacturer is suggesting a retail price. That suggestion, is not up for interpretation, manipulation, or obfuscation (again, this is the MSRP itself, I am not saying anything about the final price the vendor will sell the item). If I say "I (the manufacturer) suggest you sell this item for $10." (aka, MSRP of $10) the vendor can't say "NoVA Shooter suggested I sell this item for $20."

It's not up to the vendor to say, "Well, Glock gave me a MSRP of $600 but I'm going to say the MSRP is $900." They can ask Glock to give them that MSRP, but they can't simply take the MSRP that Glock gives them and quote any old MSRP (again, not talking about the price they will sell it for) because there is the word 'suggested' in the acronym.

Now, the manufacturer may change their suggested price for any number of reasons and they may give a different MSRP to different vendors, but the MSRP given to a particular vendor at a particular time for a particular item is what it is and it is not up to the vendor to use their own suggested retail price value.

You want to teach English, sentence structure and subjective interpretation, try a English Lit forum.

My first order of business on an English Lit forum would be to say the "nuttin'" is not a word and a horrible butchering of our language.

 

[buck460XVR]

My first order of business on an English Lit forum would be to say the "nuttin'" is not a word and a horrible butchering of our language.

Yeah...I know. Kinda why I use it all the time. Just to irritate the Grammar Nazi's.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

Grammar Nazi's

That should be plural, rather than possessive. Thanks for playing.

 

[buck460XVR]

That should be plural, rather than possessive. Thanks for playing.

........looky there, caught another one!

 

[BLB68]

My first order of business on an English Lit forum would be to say the "nuttin'" is not a word and a horrible butchering of our language.

I think you mean "say that."

 

[burk]

The biggest purpose of MSRP these days is to impress accountant buyers at big boxes with all the margin they are going to make on a product that they almost never sell for MSRP. From a consumer POV the only thing that matters is street price. The reality is how much a company makes on something doesn't really matter in todays market, the only thing that matters is what a retailer can get for it. We had Carbon 15's selling for 2000 two years ago. Do you think those dealers cared about MSRP?

In some categories manufacturers try to protect margin for dealers (Fly fishing is a great example of this). There you will see MAP pricing. Minimum advertised pricing is common, and the only time you can deviate is when there is a special situation (rebates-promotions available to all dealers) or when the item is discontinued. If you do the manufacturer can drop you as a dealer. The good thing about MAP is it allows smaller dealers a chance to develop business based on quality service. But like everything else, it does seem to get gamed (not as much as MSRP) by big boxes.

 

[Sunray]

It's called a 'suggested' price for a reason. Nobody ever says a retailer has to sell for the MSRP.
"..."nuttin" is not a word..." Right. It's poetic licence. lol, u, 2 and *** aren't words either. Ya'll. That's one syllable. snicker.

 

[GBExpat]

Ya'll. That's one syllable. snicker.

It is "y'all", short for you all.