"Do NOT Get a Weapon, OK?"

[willbrink]

"Do NOT Get a Weapon, OK?"

"On February 14 2005, Theresa G. (last name withheld) was inside her house in Oklahoma City when she heard commotion coming from the garage. When she went to investigate, she was startled to see her 83-year-old mother, Barbara, struggling with a strange man. Theresa quickly ran to her mother's aid, and managed to disarm the mugger of the knife he was carrying. When he tried to get back into a car with his accomplice, Theresa held on to him, determined to not let him get away. The driver began to pull away, and both Theresa and the mugger were dragged a bit of a distance before the car finally broke free. By that time, a neighbor had come out to help, and Theresa used her cell phone to call 911. Here is a recording of the actual call:

http://www.2asisters.org/stay_informed/spotlight/audio/Oklahoma 911 Call.mp3

 

[thexrayboy]

Wow...8 and a half minutes from the time 911 was called till LEO arrived and the doofus in dispatch has the temerity to tell the vicim to not get a weapon.

I can understand keeping quiet and not recommending a victim arm themselves but to specifically instruct them to avoid acquiring the means for an effective defense while a violent criminal is still close by is absurd.
No other words can describe that act.

 

[Walter]

That is amazing!

That 911 dispatcher was more worried about her gun than he was about getting LE to the scene to catch the guy who assaulted them. "allegedly". :banghead:

But I fault the woman a little, too. She shouldn't have told the 911
operator she was going to get her pistol. And had it been me, the
first time the nitwit told me "do not get a weapon", I would have hung up.

Walter

 

[Houston Tom]

she did answer and eventually did dispatch a LEO. Many places 911 is muh worse

 

[Blackbeard]

the first time the nitwit told me "do not get a weapon", I would have hung up.

Depends -- do you think what happens next on the 911 tape will help or hurt your defense in the wrongful death suit that follows?

 

[Nitrogen]

I'd have called 911 after the incident.

 

[Ohio Rifleman]

This dispatcher should be fired.

Said dispatcher's "advice" could have gotten the victim killed. LEOs are not magical supermen. They will NOT always be there in time to save you.

 

[willbrink]

The correct advice was "if you have a gun, get it and take your mother to a room that has a lock on it and stay there until the police arrive." But hell, a couple of dead women is always better than using an evil gun right?

 

[TheFringe]

Fire that 911 operator NOW.

 

[granuale]

I love that lady!! Put the gun away - "I'm not gonna do that" God bless her.

 

[Gunnerpalace]

I would have told him "I listen to the police not you".

 

[zxcvbob]

But I fault the woman a little, too. She shouldn't have told the 911
operator she was going to get her pistol.

Not telling the dispatcher you are armed is a good way to get yourself shot when the police finally show up. Think about it.

Bob

 

[alligator94]

This is ridiculous! What is everybody now afraid that the vistim might hurt the criminal?/

 

[KC&97TA]

Not telling the dispatcher you are armed is a good way to get yourself shot when the police finally show up. Think about it.

Bob

+1

If you are involved in an incident, I sugest you arm yourself first, then call 911, but I'm not a lawyer. Please tell the dispatcher, what you're wearing and that you are armed, so the police can identify you. The guy on the ground or the guy at gun point will be easy to Identify if they know you're the one that called. Use a lan line, if possible, not a cell phone.

If you're holding a $1000 pistol, just lay it down on the ground like the LEO will probly tell you to do, they'll unload it and give it back to you latter if you didn't shoot, or it will be tied up in the legal system for a few months if you did shoot.

+1 to have the 911 dispatcher fired, it would have turned out different at my house. I'm moveing to a state with a Castle Law when I retire

 

[Walter]

Quote:
the first time the nitwit told me "do not get a weapon", I would have hung up.
Depends -- do you think what happens next on the 911 tape will help or hurt your defense in the wrongful death suit that follows?

Who says there will be a "wrongful death suit"? Who says I would shoot
anybody? Sorry, but I just don't tolerate fools well, and since I am
AT THE SCENE, I may be able to judge the situation better than some
911 operator miles away.

zxcvbob
Quote:
But I fault the woman a little, too. She shouldn't have told the 911
operator she was going to get her pistol.
Not telling the dispatcher you are armed is a good way to get yourself shot when the police finally show up. Think about it.

Bob

Okay, I thought about it, and I don't disagree with what I said.
What happens to the legally licensed gun carrier who finds himself
in a shooting situation and doesn't have time to call 911? Do the
cops just rush in and shoot everybody with a gun? I don't think so.
I give LEOs credit to have common sense enough to sort out the
immediate threats from the non-threatening people.
And besides that, I carry concealed, and if I do have to pull my
weapon out, it will only be out long enough to do the job I need it
to do. So the police probably won't see me with it anyway.

Walter

 

[Smokingboomstick]

That dispatcher is so stupid.

 

[KrayzieVanh]

I dunno, maybe you can't blame the dispatcher. They are doing what they are trained to do.

 

[Blackbeard]

Fire that 911 operator NOW.

How much you wanna bet it's department policy to do what he did? He ain't getting fired.

 

[Fisherman_48768]

1911 first then remove the first 1 and dial 911

Hummmm, 8.5 min X 600 rounds per min from my assault pistol. They won't find the perp or at least much of them. Oh, thats not my assault pistol, thats the media's version of my 7 shot 45 acp.

 

[revjen45]

Pursuing the assailant may or may not have been a good idea. Once the attack was over shooting the sub-human cretin who did it would have probably gotten the victim in trouble.

 

[CB900F]

Fella's;

The weapon is between the ears, everything else is just a tool. Try to keep that in mind.

900F

 

[alsaqr]

"Once the attack was over shooting the sub-human cretin who did it would have probably gotten the victim in trouble"

Not in OK.

 

[Tx_Jim]

I've heard way too many 911 tapes where the dispatcher tels the victim to not shoot or to put the weapon away. Personally, i do not think they have any authority to make a lawful command like a LEO can. Second, the dispatcher is not on the scene and therefore can not make a judgment call like those that are on the scene. Glad she held her ground with the dispatcher.

That being said, i'm not sure i would give chase either. I would have used my weapon at the time of the attack as the suspect was armed and trying to inflict bodily harm...but then again I was not there either and hard to play arm chair quaterback...

 

[FieroCDSP]

I don't claim to know enough dispatchers to say I understand them entirely, but I don't think this one meant harm, and probably thought he was helping.

In a tense situation like this, you can picture one person sitting on or struggling with the perp, and the little old lady with her 4" Smith aimed at them both from ten feet away, her free hand on the phone, finger in the guard. At this point, you want the lady to be careful not to shoot the other innocent. Admittedly, this was likely someone who was trained to tell them to put any weapon down, as per policy.

The correct comment would have been "Ma'am, make sure you're not pointing the muzzle at your friend." Or some other actually helpful comment that can break through the stress and remind them of at least one bit of safety. A low ready position is not disarmed.

 

[trainwreck100]

+1 to have the 911 dispatcher fired, it would have turned out different at my house. I'm moveing to a state with a Castle Law when I retire

Oklahoma's supposed to have one o' them (or some form of it).