Do you believe the U.S. Supreme Court will ever rule in favor of our "Assault Rifles"?

[rpenmanparker]

Local confiscations absolutly have teeth for locals --- enjoy having a right destroyed piecemeal?
They can't be moved if the gestapo busts in your door, unless you've ALREADY MOVED.
So ... I take it, you're OK if local governments confiscate guns?

If/when the feds start it ....don't expect those who've already disarmed to join any resistance. Having been disarmed, their options will be limited.

Gestapo? Shame on you.

 

[rpenmanparker]

Universal background checks require universal REGISTRATION which has no purpose beyond universal CONFISCATION.

NO, I REFUSE.

That’ll show ‘em.

 

[denton]

Alan Gura has just filed a request for the Supreme Court to decide whether the ban on interstate sale of handguns is constitutional. Within that document, is an announcement that he also intends to ask them to hear the Pena case, challenging California's ban on handguns that do not meet with their approval.

There is a chance that we may get answers to our questions sooner than we thought.

 

[Tommygunn]

Gestapo? Shame on you.

Well, perhaps I was being too harshly "hyperbolic," but sometimes I do think there is an excuse.

Years ago I recall reading a letter to the editor of a magazine revealing one such incident in N. Y. C. A family living in an apartment in the 1960s who owned some guns affected by the city's registration law (they had obeyed it) moved out of state, but maintained communication with some friends in their old apartment building. Decades later those N.Y. friends sent them a letter telling them what happened to the new residents of their old apartment. At breakfast one day, their front door came smashing down and uniformed, E. S. U. Police dressed up in ballistic vests, helmets, and armed with submachineguns and shotguns charged in yelling "WHERE ARE THE GUNS?!?!?!?!?"
The family, parents and young children, were terrorized.
The police had used 30 year old gun registration list. They had not bothered to, after 30 years, to verify the original family was still there ----you might think police could perhaps ponder that after that time, the occupants might have moved, and do something called ...... "police work" to see if the actual gun owners were still there.
I support the police, and respect they do a tough job, and sometimes die because they are charged with a responsibility we don't have; to run TOWARD the gunfire.

But I don't back down an inch from criticizing the type of policework demonstrated by the above incident. That family was terrorized, and moreover, they're lucky they weren't shot! How many incidents have been brought up on this site of people, having done nothing, getting shot? Sometimes they are of such a nature that while they are truly horrible, we can understand why the police fired and not outright condemn them.

But in the above incident, while obviously no one was shot -thankfully - they could have been.
More significantly, it was the direct result of decisions made by politicians, and those could affect any of us.

An old Greek Philosopher warned that "you might not be interested in politics, but politics is interested in you."

We all need to burn that old wise advice into our souls.

 

[rpenmanparker]

Well, perhaps I was being too harshly "hyperbolic," but sometimes I do think there is an excuse.

Years ago I recall reading a letter to the editor of a magazine revealing one such incident in N. Y. C. A family living in an apartment in the 1960s who owned some guns affected by the city's registration law (they had obeyed it) moved out of state, but maintained communication with some friends in their old apartment building. Decades later those N.Y. friends sent them a letter telling them what happened to the new residents of their old apartment. At breakfast one day, their front door came smashing down and uniformed, E. S. U. Police dressed up in ballistic vests, helmets, and armed with submachineguns and shotguns charged in yelling "WHERE ARE THE GUNS?!?!?!?!?"
The family, parents and young children, were terrorized.
The police had used 30 year old gun registration list. They had not bothered to, after 30 years, to verify the original family was still there ----you might think police could perhaps ponder that after that time, the occupants might have moved, and do something called ...... "police work" to see if the actual gun owners were still there.
I support the police, and respect they do a tough job, and sometimes die because they are charged with a responsibility we don't have; to run TOWARD the gunfire.

But I don't back down an inch from criticizing the type of policework demonstrated by the above incident. That family was terrorized, and moreover, they're lucky they weren't shot! How many incidents have been brought up on this site of people, having done nothing, getting shot? Sometimes they are of such a nature that while they are truly horrible, we can understand why the police fired and not outright condemn them.

But in the above incident, while obviously no one was shot -thankfully - they could have been.
More significantly, it was the direct result of decisions made by politicians, and those could affect any of us.

An old Greek Philosopher warned that "you might not be interested in politics, but politics is interested in you."

We all need to burn that old wise advice into our souls.

Nazi hyperboism has no place in our society.

 

[rpenmanparker]

It does when our police perform actions equivalent to those that were performed by Nazis.

You know what they say? When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

 

[Tommygunn]

You know what they say? When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

Stop being a wise-@ss. If you go back to the beginning of the post you quoted earlier I admitted I might have gone overboard when I said it was hyperbole, but instead of acknowledging it you doubled down, so In response I doubled down too.

 

[Pudge]

No. If enough cretins use ARs or AKs to kill enough innocent people often enough, we'll lose them. I speculate we are almost there. In some state we are there. If they then use other semi-autos to keep going we'll lose all semi-autos. And if that doesn't do it, we'll lose it all.

Our rights are what the SC says they are. It's that simple.

The SC justices will decide how they want to rule based on their own feelings, prejudices, wants, etc., then use whatever logic they can dream up to justify their rulings, same as they always have.

I'm going to say you're wrong. There is nobody who has considered the issue who believes that if all semi automatic rifles were magically eliminated tonight that their elimination would have any measurable impact on violent crime numbers. Absolutely none. Any law prohibiting or restricting the law-abiding owners of them is for no reason beyond the political benefit, because it is without social benefit. And since there is no goal of social benefit, there is no need for an actual threat to society by law-abiding gun owners to justify violating their civil rights. Politicians and their sycophants will decry the potential harm of a class of firearms, but never predict any reduction in the violence society will face by the legislation they propose to restrict them.

Was/Is Washington state facing a significant threat from violent crime by semi-automatic rifle wielding criminals? Will there be a measurable reduction in violent crime due to this legislation? How many innocents are killed by cretins using AR's or AK's isn't part of the equation to justify legislation restricting their owners, and it isn't about public safety, or the common good. It is about votes and money.

 

[Deanimator]

That’ll show ‘em.

It'll show them better than kissing their boots.

 

[Deanimator]

Nazi hyperboism has no place in our society.

But police acting like the NKVD during the Great Purge DOES?

I'm NOT a fan of the police, and their behavior is why.

 

[Deanimator]

You know what they say? When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

Between the Chicago barmaid beating and the Broward Cowardice, the police are employing a regiment of backhoes.

 

[GEM]

We are done. Some of you better tone down the offensive rhetoric. Insults and nazi comparisons will shorten your time on THR.

Closed.