JohnBiltz
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Posted to a public forum where we discuss things, I don't think privacy applies.Not really your business is it?
Posted to a public forum where we discuss things, I don't think privacy applies.Not really your business is it?
JohnBlitz writes:
How do you know he's not "proficient" with it? Are we going to start another thread-war in which you lay out a specific number of rounds required to achieve "proficiency"? On whom should we call to even define "proficiency"? What level of "proficiency" is required for the armed citizen, and by whom? Do you support the same government mandates so many of us oppose?
Or, imagine that his carry gun is actually a duplicate of one with which he already has extensive experience, such as an agency-issued sidearm, or one he had previously owned, then later replaced, or that he routinely practices with another similar weapon, perhaps in a different, more-affordable caliber.
We really don't have all the facts, do we?
2017-1993 = 24 years. 500 rounds / 24 = 20 rounds a year. He probably fired more when he first got it. Forget proficiency, is that even enough to know if a carry gun still works?JohnBlitz writes:
How do you know he's not "proficient" with it? Are we going to start another thread-war in which you lay out a specific number of rounds required to achieve "proficiency"? On whom should we call to even define "proficiency"? What level of "proficiency" is required for the armed citizen, and by whom? Do you support the same government mandates so many of us oppose?
Or, imagine that his carry gun is actually a duplicate of one with which he already has extensive experience, such as an agency-issued sidearm, or one he had previously owned, then later replaced, or that he routinely practices with another similar weapon, perhaps in a different, more-affordable caliber.
We really don't have all the facts, do we?
It needs at least 500 rounds for that insanely-tight barrel bushing to wear a circle in the barrel.
2017-1993 = 24 years. 500 rounds / 24 = 20 rounds a year. He probably fired more when he first got it. Forget proficiency, is that even enough to know if a carry gun still works?
And one last question to those that brought up the proficiency argument: What is the definition of proficiency? Recently, I took my 11 year old daughter out and had her try out my wife's .380. Not only had she never shot this gun but she had only shot a .22 handgun prior to this. She was easily capable of getting all shots, center of mass at a bit over 7 yards. Now, considering that all those in the know claim that the average distance for a SD confrontation is 7 yards, and i have been shooting for 35+ years, isn't it at least conceivable that in such a situation, I will be "proficient" enough to hit center of mass with my carry gun at 7 yards?
I honestly find it amusing that so many believe you MUST shoot hourly to not only maintain proficiency but ensure the gun works.
So here is an interesting thought, If you buy a new gun and shoot the crap out of it when you first get it and experience no reliability issues whatsoever, on a gun known for reliability, and then it is carried daily and shot occasionally for the next 24 years, will that gun be more likely to fail in that one in-a-million SD situation than would the same gun, with a hundred rounds a week through it for 24 years? Logic would dictate that in reality, the more a gun is shot, the closer it is to a failure. It may take 50,000 rounds but you are still closer.
Have you considered it was not a myth when it started? This is a very old thing, at least from the 50s. Probably older than that. Back then they could not do the tolerances they do today. Just did not have the machines.I wonder who started this "break in" myth. I would bet it was some gun "guru" that bought some stock in ammo making corporations.
We'd all like to think so, but at the same time I can't tell how many guys I've seen completely miss an IDPA silhouette with nothing more stressful than a timer and 8-10 other guys watching.....
Talk about the lowest common denominator. I've witnessed similar behavior with individuals speaking to a large assembly of other individuals not known to them. Why would you possibly care what other individuals think and get so stressed out thus miss scoring the 8-inch circle or the whole IDPA silhouette.We'd all like to think so, but at the same time I can't tell how many guys I've seen completely miss an IDPA silhouette with nothing more stressful than a timer and 8-10 other guys watching..... Chuck
I wonder who started this "break in" myth. I would bet it was some gun "guru" that bought some stock in ammo making corporations.
I added bold to the weak part of your approach.The way I see it, if you trust their engineers to design a quality firearm, you should trust them to know what you need to do to get it and keep it running right. So if they say break it in, break it in, and if they don't... don't.
I added bold to the weak part of your approach.
<chuckle> The first thing that came to my mind when I read your response was the 3.3" .45acp Springfield Armory XDs that I purchased in Aug'13 (after they had been in production for over a year) ... only to discover within a week of taking delivery that "the engineers" had issued a recall on the silly things because they found that their design could go full-auto.
The older I get, the (much) less I trust.
If the gun doesn't work out of the box, it is broken. Send it back to the manufacturer, or see if the vendor will swap it out.
You wouldn't accept a new car that randomly quit on the middle of the freeway, would you? "Oh, just run 500 gallons of gas through it, that sort of thing usually clears up." That would be ridiculous.
So is a gun that won't reliably function.
They want *you* to drop a couple-three hundred dollars' worth of ammunition through it, and your time, and range fees, and cleaning supplies? Really?
They want *you* to drop a couple-three hundred dollars' worth of ammunition through it, and your time, and range fees, and cleaning supplies? Really?
They want *you* to drop a couple-three hundred dollars' worth of ammunition through it, and your time, and range fees, and cleaning supplies? Really?
I really enjoy shooting my firearms. I reload, have a range in my backyard and live on the western edge of our 160+ acre ancestral farm in hill country.Seems like you might want to try a new hobby. cause the above is what most people do with any gun...