Do you guys update OAL after completing an SBR?

[bwalker36]

I just submitted my form 1 for my braced pistol. I chose to pay the 200 vs sending them a picture of something they deem illegal god forbid something crazy happened.

I tried my best to get an accurate OAL but I'm assuming i'm going to be off by some without actually configuring the SBR. National Gun Trust has a free letter generator to update them. Was just curious if any of you all sent an update.

With my luck I'll be off my like a 1/4 inch.

 

[dogtown tom]

There is no law or ATF regulation that requires you to notify NFA Div of any changes you make after receiving your approved form.
ATF requests that you do so they can keep the Registry accurate.

 

[bwalker36]

Man the ATF faq and National Gun Trust really make it seem like you need to lol

OUr FAQ here made it seem that way too:

Q: Can I make changes to my Form 1 firearm?
A: Yes for some, no for others. SBRs or SBSs can have barrel length and caliber altered, though you need to either retain the ability to configure it as listed on the Form 1, or send a letter to NFA branch permanently amending form 1. AOWs can be altered in some ways similar to SBR/SBS, but you should inquire with ATF before making changes, since AOW is not a well-defined category. DDs can have length configuration changed, but not caliber AFAIK. Silencers are a done deal once completed, and can only be repaired by an 07/02 or 10/02. Silencers also cannot have their length or caliber changed by anyone, ever, except minimal shortening for repair purposes. About the only thing a Form 1 builder can change on a silencer is the mount, or the front cap with certain limitations. An 07/02 or 10/02, however, can repair or replace any part of a Form 1 Silencer except the serialized tube.

 

[dogtown tom]

See for yourself:https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-27/chapter-II/subchapter-B/part-479?toc=1
I'm not being snotty, but there is no requirement to notify ATF.

https://johnpierceesq.com/may-i-have-multiple-uppers-for-my-sbr/
....I should note that the ATF requests that you notify them if you are going to make a permanent change in the primary configuration. But this is a request only and does not currently have a regulation giving it the force of law....

https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/may-the-barrel-on-an-sbr-or-sb/
There have been many discussions on this and it appears that as of July 2010 the answer is:
Yes, and you will not be required to again register the firearm before replacing the short barrel. ATF recommends written notification to the NFA Branch when a firearm’s configuration is permanently changed or removed from the purview of the NFA.

ATF used to include these in their FAQ section:

Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - National Firearms Act (NFA) - Short Barreled Rifles and Shotguns | ATF

Q: Is it necessary to send notification to ATF and receive acknowledgement that the SBR or SBS has been removed from the purview of the NFAbefore it may be sold as a GCA firearm?
There is no requirement for the possessor of a registered NFA firearm to notify ATF that the firearm has been removed from the purview of the NFA. However, ATF recommends the possessor notify the NFA Branch of such changes in writing so that the possessor is not mistakenly identified as the owner if the firearm is later used in a crime. If, at the time of transfer, the firearm does not meet the definition of a SBR, it should be transferred without filing the NFA transfer application and without payment of the transfer tax.

Q: May the short barrel on an SBR or SBS be replaced with a long barrel for hunting or other purposes, with the intent of replacing the short barrel?
Yes, and you will not be required to again register the firearm before replacing the short barrel. ATF recommends written notification to the NFA Branch when a firearm’s configuration is permanently changed or removed from the purview of the NFA.

In typical ATF fashion, they often make statements not backed up by any law or regulation. Here's an example from the new Rule 2021-08F FAQ's: https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regul...aqfinalrule2021r-08f-updated12523pdf/download

10. ONCE THE FIREARM IS REGISTERED AS A SHORT-BARRELED RIFLE (SBR) CAN I REMOVE/CHANGE THE "STABILIZING BRACE" OR ATTACH AN ITEM MARKETED AS A STOCK? IF SO, AM I REQUIRED TO NOTIFY ATF IN ADVANCE?
• Yes, the firearm is registered as an SBR, and you can change out the “brace” device or stock for a different brace or stock. You do not need to contact ATF/NFA because changing the brace/stock does not change the configuration of the SBR. However, if the length of the firearm has changed you will need to notify the NFA Division.

"you will need" is not backed up by any ATF regulation.


And the very next FAQ:

11. IF I NO LONGER WANT AN SBR AND I REMOVE T HE “BRACE,” DO I NEED TO CONTACT THE NFA TO UNREGISTER MY SBR WITH AN ATTACHED “STABILIZING BRACE”?
• It is not a requirement to remove your SBR from the NFRTR; however, ATF highly recommends you notify the Government Services Branch (GSB) of the National Firearms Act Division to remove the firearm from the NFRTR registry. All NFRTR updates should be emailed to [email protected]

Edited to add: NOTHING is removed from the NFRTR registry....ever. They make a note in the Registry that the firearm is no longer an NFA firearm.

 

[bwalker36]

See for yourself:https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-27/chapter-II/subchapter-B/part-479?toc=1
I'm not being snotty, but there is no requirement to notify ATF.









ATF used to include these in their FAQ section:


In typical ATF fashion, they often make statements not backed up by any law or regulation. Here's an example from the new Rule 2021-08F FAQ's: https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regul...aqfinalrule2021r-08f-updated12523pdf/download


"you will need" is not backed up by any ATF regulation.


And the very next FAQ:

Oh I know your not being snotty, I appreciate the insight.

 

[American_Fusilier]

I had this same question, but I received a different answer. This information is much better.

It's also nice to know I can change uppers on my SBR when I get the tax stamp.