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Do you notice the ONE THING nobody is saying about Nick Berg?

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  1. The_Antibubba

    The_Antibubba Member

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    Today I read about Nick Berg's funeral in the paper, about security at the synagogue, about the service. It's the first time anyone has alluded to the fact that Nick Berg was Jewish. A Jew, beheaded by Muslims, in Iraq. The press has completely avoided any mention of Judaism in any of this, and to me, a Jew, it seems to be a screaming point of mention. I suppose the media doesn't want the American public to think that Iraqis are Anti-Semitic, despite their constant call for the destruction of Israel. :scrutiny:

    Boy, what strange times we live in. :uhoh:
     
  2. kbr80

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    HMMM, yes, it is strange that the media has not picked up on that. But I would be banned or slapped by a mod if I stated what I think the problem is.:scrutiny:
     
  3. Sindawe

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    Nick Bergs Faith and Religion

    I kinda suspected that he was Jewish, based on the last name. Rational: Here in Denver there was an outspoken, opinionated radio personality named Allen Berg, who as gunned down by a sorry waste of food and air white supemicist. Allen Berg was Jewish. Sorta tenuous yes, but...


    I do find it rather "interesting" that the news media either overlooked or chose to omit this peice of data about Mr. Berg. Makes me wonder ***?? :scrutiny: I also noted today surfing the cable news that there was still a good deal of coverage on the prisiner abuse situation in Iraq, but darn little about Mr. Berg. This was channel surfing the news stations (CNN, Fox, MSNBC, CBN, etc...) on cable while duiing my Sat. in house chores. Another *** moment. :scrutiny: One can not help but to wonder why this is.
     
  4. LD

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    Tis a point that one should consider along with many others. However the folks that commit this act are such nutballs that I don't think we need to try to infer what their unstated reasons were or to seek additional reasons to despise them.

    What troubles me personally is that American media chose to broadcast the full footage (with sound) and so many Americans have purposefully sought out the streamed video and watched it not once but multiple times.

    It happened and it's important that we were informed. But doesn't he deserve what privacy we can give him in his moment of death rather than replaying it over and over again?? Has our society really degraded to the point where we watch the brutal execution/murder of an innocent for entertainment???

    One might also consider that the media profited by providing the archived footage on-line (can you say web-hits/advertising?).
     
  5. jimpeel

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    This is patently untrue. Posters on this board have been talking about this fact for days.

    Sargeant Bob mentioned that fact HERE May 14.

    Master Blaster mentioned it at HERE.

    Langenator mentioned it HERE.

    I mentioned it HERE.

    http://www.myway.com mentioned this fact in a story May 12 HERE

    The Philadelphia Enquirer mentioned this in a story on May 13 HERE

    CNN mentioned it on May 11 HERE

    The BBC mentioned it May 12 HERE

    I can continue if necessary.
     
  6. Sergeant Bob

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    According to a fatwa issued by OBL, the killing of Jews is one of his stated goals.

    Al Qaeda Goals

    Al-Qaeda
    Osama bin Laden's Network of Terror

    Ideology and Goals


    The principal aims of al-Qaeda are to drive Americans and American influence out of all Muslim nations, especially Saudi Arabia; destroy Israel ; and topple pro-Western dictatorships around the Middle East. Furthermore, it is bin Laden's goal to unite all Muslims and establish, by force, an Islamic nation adhering to the rule of the first Caliphs.

    According to bin Laden's 1998 fatwa (religious decree), it is the duty of Muslims around the world to wage holy war on the U.S., American citizens, and Jews. Muslims who do not heed this call are declared apostates (people who have forsaken their faith).
     
  7. Fred Thompson

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    I have to disagree. People should see this video, to remind them that there ARE people over there that want to inflict harm on the U.S. We're at war, and the masses seem content to absorb the drivel from the media and be outraged about prisoners being humiliated.

    Someone else said it, here I think, that those Iraqis interred would much rather have the U.S. be the prison keeper than Saddam. He went far beyond humiliation, and most people here seem to lose sight of that.
     
  8. Perfesser

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    Nick Berg

    Let's think about what he did wrong...
    He was in Iraq on his own, without the protection of working for a company
    that had one of the contracts (my feeling is that he was a 'tower climber'
    looking for freelance work).
    He turned down the military's offer of safe passage OUT of Iraq, and then
    refused to leave on his own.
    He was, as has been pointed out, Jewish.
    AND he made the mistake of thinking that the Fundamentalists are rational when it involves either Americans or Jews (and possibly other Islamics that don't believe as they do), or that they have any trace of empathy in them.
    I am NOT saying that he 'had it coming' but it should not have been much of a surprise to anyone.
     
  9. Sergeant Bob

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    It has been reported that he was carrying a copy of the Koran and some anti-semetic literature with him.
    If true, why? Did he think if caught by AQ it would protect him as garlic or a cross might protect against vampires?
     
  10. Matt1911

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    After the initial shock, I find it hard to muster much symphathy. Greed seems to be the reason he was there. Why else would anyone be in a war zone without protection from the troops? Given his faith (which i did not put 2 and 2 together till this thread), it seems insane to be there. If the reports are true, he repeatedly went to dangerous areas, dispite warnings.
    No , I do not think "he had it coming", but JEEZ, a little common sense should have over come the greed.
    Flame away.:rolleyes:
     
  11. throwweight

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    For all of it's base, abject cruelty and barbarism,the grisly video of Nick Berg being decapitated serves an essential purpose in our War on Terrorists. It allow us to stare straight into the face of the enemy and see him for EXACTLY what he is. The face is not Muslim, does not represent Islam, is not even Arabic or Farsi or even human for that matter. It is the hideous face of pure, animalistic evil incarnate. It is the face that the airline passengers saw as their throats were slit on 9/11. It is the face that Leon Klinghoffer saw as he and his wheelchair were dumped overboard off the Achille Lauro. It is the face that the Israeli Olympic team saw in Munich. It is the face of the Lockerbie bombers, the Madrid bombers, the Cole bombers, the Khobar Tower bombers, the Beirut Marine barracks bombers, the Bali bombers. It is the face of the murderers and butchers who mutilated American contractors and soldiers, dragging their corpses through the street. It is the face seen on busses in Israel just before detonation and their desperate explosion of hatred. If we quit, falter or show any lack of resolve, It is the face that will someday hover over your bed and your child's bed in the dead of night, that will blow up our trains, our busses, our buildings, our schools; given the chance, indescriminately killing us all unless stopped DEAD in its tracks NOW, TODAY.
    We need to wake up. This ain't over by a damn sight. :fire:
     
  12. Antlurz

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    What makes it hard is that without exception, the perps who do these horrendous things say it IS Islam. In it's truest form.

    Kinda makes it rough to be objective..

    Ron
     
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    Hmmmm, most of the news I've seen about it mentions the fact that Berg was Jewish, but no one is making a big deal of it.?!?!?!? The general level of outrage is underwhelming, regardless, it's as if our 'press' would rather harp on the US as the criminals for the prisoner abuse (a problem that we're jumping thru our backsides to fix) rather than vilify the terrorists for the animals that they are (a 'problem' that the 'Arab world' doesn't seem to be doing ANYTHING about). Go figure :barf: :barf: :barf:

    I'm sitting here watching "Meet the Press" with Russert asking Powell why the Arab world is not showing outrage over the murder . . . Powell has no expalaination, but it doesn' sit well:rolleyes:

    "Interesting" times we live in:scrutiny:
     
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    He was there as a businessman trying to turn a buck, he knew or should have known the risks. They aren't paying $100,000 for truck drivers for no good reason.
     
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    That may be true and was my initial assessment.

    However, he did not enter the country legally. From what I know, contractors hire people in the US and then send them over to work. I do not believe that contractors on the government payroll stop at the corner of the local Home Depot and pick up day labor.

    He was there without legal entry, with no contract or job, roaming around the nasty, violent parts of Iraq, incidentally let Mossaoui use his e-mail in 1999, had a Q'ran in his possession.......:scrutiny:
     
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    Last night on Fox, it was spoken that Berg was Jewish. What seems to not be known is exactly WHY he was in Iraq in the first place. If there was any glossing-over, it was this issue.

    Geraldo's reporters started out with a whole bunch of "this doesn't smell right" stuff, listing several matters. Trouble was, they never brought out anything to explain why there could be a bunch of BS in the stories, or not-BS in the stories. Disappointing.

    Art
     
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    Just as thirty years ago we had ghetto thugs with evil in mind screaming "Power to the People?"

    Did they understand the concept any more than than Berg's killers? Any word or term can be used as an expletive, and, as Harris suggests, it's not meant to communicate but rather to create a bond among those who utter it.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not giving anyone a pass here, just saying we need to look past words, with everyone, and at their actions.
     
  18. ravinraven

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    What we here all know.

    "...it's as if our 'press' would rather harp on the US as the criminals for the prisoner abuse..."

    Right on. We on this site all know the reason for this. The "abuse scandal" can be used to flog Dubya. The fact that Mr. Berg was Jewish, if stated too loudly, might get the sheeple to thinking that we are dealing with anti-Semetic scum and may hold Dubya in a favorable light and think that maybe he should continue to lead this WOT.

    After all, the "mainstream" press and the terror enablers in congress would rather win the WH than stop terrorism. Liberty is in the balance. Which way will it go. Totalitarianism is a lot easier to maintain than liberty with all of its business with individual rights.

    The bliss of tyranny vs. the chaos of Liberty?? Which way do you vote??

    Well, tyranny ain't very blissful if you happen to think. However, gov't schools are taking care of that. They are doing kids a favor in the long run. When thinking is outlawed, those properly taught kids will be ahead of the rest of us.

    rr
     
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    I saw one report one time that said Berg was picked up with anti-semetic literature and a copy of the Koran in his possession. No other details.

    My gut tells me there is more to the story to come out.
     
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    That he has a good head on his shoulders? :evil:

    ...sound of distant rimshot......

    (Sorry, it was too obvious to pass up)
     
  21. Don Gwinn

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    Yeah, I don't know what coverage you've been watching, but I've been hearing on ABC and CBS news on the radio that the captors actually stated at one point that Berg was killed at least partly because he was Jewish. The point was discussed. I don't think there's any kind of liberal media conspiracy not to cover that point. I'd guess you just happened to miss it one way or the other.
     
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    I've heard reports that pointed out both he and Daniel Pearl were Jewish, so it is being brought up. I think most of us just tend to identify with them as Americans and assume that's why they were killed.
     
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    I'm putting on my flame proof underwear now so have at me, but when I consider all the wrong, dangerous, ill-advised things he did leading up to his death, maybe he should be given a Darwin Award.
     
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    Bravo Oldfart, you took the words out of my mouth. Why anyone who is an American (and a Jew) would wander about Iraq on his/her own is beyond me and said person deserves a Darwin award. Unless he was something in addition and they are not telling us.
     
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    oldfart

    I second the nomination.
     
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