Dodged a bullet, so to speak

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On Sunday I was shooting with a friend, running a charge ladder through my .357 Blackhawk. After firing the fifth round of a six-shot group, the hammer would not cook and the cylinder wouldn't turn. I looked at the cylinder gap and could see light between the cylinder and barrel, so I knew there wasn't any obstruction there. Had to pull the cylinder pin and jiggle things quite a bit, but I managed to remove the cylinder. Barrel was clear, and five of the six shells were empty. Took a look at that fifth primer and said to my friend "That's weird. Looks like a light primer strike." Put the cylinder back in and shot #6, then shot the remaining two charge increments, 0.2 grains up at each step, ending with a max load of 14.9 grains of 2400.

The recoil on the round that jammed the gun didn't feel any different than the others, and all the brass fell out of the cylinder by force of gravity. No pressure signs on either of the two higher charge groups, either.

But when I took a closer look at that primer when I got home, it was obviously cratered. It's on the left in the pic below, and a shell from the lowest charge level is on the right.
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I weigh every charge when loading ladders, even for handguns, and I seat the bullet immediately after charging the shell. So it's unlikely (but not impossible) that the cartridge in question had too much powder in it. Biggest point is that I wasn't paying close enough attention to pick up an obvious pressure indicator. Luckily there were no negative consequences. Cheap lesson learned. Look closer, bring a magnifier when shooting ladders. I always did when shooting rifle ladders; not sure why I neglected to do so when I started shooting handguns. I will from now on, though.
 
Something definitely happened there, it does look like an over charge.
Did you notice any increase in recoil with this round?
If you didn't you may have had a high primer, I noticed your not chamfering the crimps out of your cases. That makes priming harder to do and makes a high primer easier to do. If they primed really hard and you had a high primer, it may have forced it into the firing pin bushing before the recoil finished seating it for you.
 
Something definitely happened there, it does look like an over charge.
Did you notice any increase in recoil with this round?
If you didn't you may have had a high primer, I noticed your not chamfering the crimps out of your cases. That makes priming harder to do and makes a high primer easier to do. If they primed really hard and you had a high primer, it may have forced it into the firing pin bushing before the recoil finished seating it for you.
I didn't notice any difference in recoil at the time. My brain is sort of trying to convince me I did, but I didn't pause in my shooting and say "Whoa, that one kicked a lot more" or anything else that would indicate stronger recoil registered with me.

It's new Starline brass, which I didn't realize was crimped. I didn't notice any need for excessive force when seating the primers, but they do look a little flat when seated. I usually check the first dozen or so when I'm priming, but once I'm comfortable that none are high I tend to stop checking. May be worth being a bit more fastidious on that count.
 
How could it be new if it's crimped? It needed a primer in there before it could be crimped into place.
I've never heard of new brass that was pre-crimped. Did you buy these directly from Starline?
 
What looks like crimp is the reflection of the brass pocket off the curve of the primer.
I would guess you got a high primer.
 
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