Does anyone have side by side photos of the Keltec P3AT and the PF-9?
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MCgunner
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I think you'll find, when someone does post a pic, that the nine isn't THAT much bigger and it don't take THAT much bigger of a pocket to carry it. I don't have those guns, but have two guns that are the same height and length as the guns you're talking about. Mine are a Grendel P12 and a Kel Tec P11. The Grendel is a 12 shot double stack that's the same size as the P3AT except thicker. Ditto the P11 and the PF9, difference is the thickness by about .2" For me, the trade off is good for the extra firepower, but the thinner guns will print less if that bothers you.
I like having BOTH options for possible dress code limitations on the larger gun. That doesn't happen very often for me. If I were you lookin' at these guns, I would probably pick the P3AT up first, then go for the PF9 later and relegate the P3AT to back up or for times when you can't fit the PF9.
I await a picture of said guns.
I like having BOTH options for possible dress code limitations on the larger gun. That doesn't happen very often for me. If I were you lookin' at these guns, I would probably pick the P3AT up first, then go for the PF9 later and relegate the P3AT to back up or for times when you can't fit the PF9.
I await a picture of said guns.
MCgunner
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Kel Tec shows a with of .77" for the P3AT and .88 for the PF9....if 0.11" is a deal killer. I really don't have a problem with width of the gun, but it's mostly do to my wardrobe. I pick it that way.
I do have an alternative to my 1.0" thick P11 and slightly thinner Grendel, my new to me P64 Polish Radom. It's about the same width as the PF9, but ballistics are closer to .380 than 9x19. Still, I like that gun a lot and if I need thin, it will fill the bill.
I can say, that Radom carries IWB a little more comfortably than a thicker gun like the SP101 which has a lumpy cylinder and even the P11 is a little more noticeable IWB, but not much. Either carries well pocket or IWB and I usually find myself going for the 9x19. Both are accurate, reliable firearms.
I do have an alternative to my 1.0" thick P11 and slightly thinner Grendel, my new to me P64 Polish Radom. It's about the same width as the PF9, but ballistics are closer to .380 than 9x19. Still, I like that gun a lot and if I need thin, it will fill the bill.
I can say, that Radom carries IWB a little more comfortably than a thicker gun like the SP101 which has a lumpy cylinder and even the P11 is a little more noticeable IWB, but not much. Either carries well pocket or IWB and I usually find myself going for the 9x19. Both are accurate, reliable firearms.
Its not about whether or not I can cram a gun in the pocket and get it to fit; its about whether or not if I put a gun in my pocket will it print. I have had someone here tell me they can pocket carry a Glock 19, and if they can thats great, but I am guessing they are a wannabe rapper. If you can comforatably fit a G19 in your front pocket, you are wearing the wrong size pants.
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Try this site: http://www.gunvgun.com/
They have a feature where you can compare 2 guns side-by-side. You can rotate and even superimpose one over the other.
It's not easy to use, I have to figure it out all over again each time I use it but once you get it going it is pretty useful.
They have a feature where you can compare 2 guns side-by-side. You can rotate and even superimpose one over the other.
It's not easy to use, I have to figure it out all over again each time I use it but once you get it going it is pretty useful.
MCgunner
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I an many others carry J frame revolvers in a pocket. They're bigger than the small 9s. Don't go to the revolver forum and tell 'em the 642 is too big for a pocket. I had one guy tell me he pocket carried his SP101. That's a little much for me. I'd be walking with a limp in a few hours. Not so much the size as the weight in that one's case.
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I had a PF9 and, in my opinion, the PF9 was pushing the limits of the pocket gun. It's thickness was the very issue. It was thick enough that I kept bumping it and hitting the mag release (I'm a lefty). I pocket carry a LCR which is thicker, but it's odd shapes don't let the pocket form to the gun's outline like it did with the PF9. Folks can tell I have something in my pocket, but they can't tell what.
I bought a Taurus TCP recently for times when I need something more discreet than the LCR. I never considered going back to the PF9 or Taurus Slim because I need slim, thin and discreet.
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I bought a Taurus TCP recently for times when I need something more discreet than the LCR. I never considered going back to the PF9 or Taurus Slim because I need slim, thin and discreet.
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In regular in your 20's jeans my p3at prints a little.
I started with the PF-9 and went with the P3AT. Its mathematically minute in difference, but the difference is huge in the pocket. An increase in the flat surface of the PF9 makes it that much more difficult to conceal since your thigh curves and looks unnatural with a flat area. make sense?
I started with the PF-9 and went with the P3AT. Its mathematically minute in difference, but the difference is huge in the pocket. An increase in the flat surface of the PF9 makes it that much more difficult to conceal since your thigh curves and looks unnatural with a flat area. make sense?
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Right there in the autos section, p11, glock 29 pf9 and p3at
Right there in the autos section, p11, glock 29 pf9 and p3at
Ah, I thought you were worried about being able to get your hand around the gun in your pocket. If you're worried about printing, get a square-bottomed pocket holster, and the entire thing will print like a small book, large PDA, Nintendo DS, whiskey flask, large wallet, or any number of other square items commonly found in a front pocket.
toivo
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There is a big difference in size between a PF9 and a G19.
If you're thinking of IWB carry, the PF9 is going to be a lot easier and more comfortable.
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Notice in that picture the difference between the Glock and PF-9 is huge. But it eye balls about to be the exact same difference between a P3AT and the PF-9.
I agree that even the P3AT is at the edge of pocket carry. "looks like a small book or blah blah blah." yep. Think about that. If you want that go for it, but the P3AT also does that to some degree too and it is noticeably smaller than the PF-9
I agree that even the P3AT is at the edge of pocket carry. "looks like a small book or blah blah blah." yep. Think about that. If you want that go for it, but the P3AT also does that to some degree too and it is noticeably smaller than the PF-9
i carry a pf9 in my front pocket when i don't carry my glock 26 or usp compact iwb. i have carried it in my back pocket when wearing jeans (i wear carpenter style jeans with big pockets). i don't like the pf9 in the front jeans pocket because the angle of the pocket makes it hard to draw.
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depends on what you wear.
i pocket carry my g27 in slacks all week long. with my desantis holster, it prints like a large PDA. it will fit in cargo pants and shorts without issue as well.
jeans? hell no. if i want to pocket carry when wearing jeans, i'm limited to my LCP. even my s&w 442 and pf-9 won't fit in my jeans pockets (and no, i'm not wearing skinny jeans. i'd rather cut my dick off)
do jeans exist with large enough pockets? i'm quite sure.
i wear a size 32 btw. if you're a big dude, you can probably pocket carry anything in the right pants.
i pocket carry my g27 in slacks all week long. with my desantis holster, it prints like a large PDA. it will fit in cargo pants and shorts without issue as well.
jeans? hell no. if i want to pocket carry when wearing jeans, i'm limited to my LCP. even my s&w 442 and pf-9 won't fit in my jeans pockets (and no, i'm not wearing skinny jeans. i'd rather cut my dick off)
do jeans exist with large enough pockets? i'm quite sure.
i wear a size 32 btw. if you're a big dude, you can probably pocket carry anything in the right pants.
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Not trying to be combative, but what PDA do you know is 1 inch + some thick and 6 inches long?
Also, if you happen to have a PDA in hand, what do you think other people is in your pocket?
Do as you wish, but don't kid yourself into thinking no one wonders what that HUGE bulge is that doesn't match any sort of technology today.
Also, if you happen to have a PDA in hand, what do you think other people is in your pocket?
Do as you wish, but don't kid yourself into thinking no one wonders what that HUGE bulge is that doesn't match any sort of technology today.
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Your thinking the same thing I am. I was going to wait till shorts weather. I can carry my PT145 or 1911 in weather where I can cover it up while wearing jeans. But its hot in the summer here and from mid may till mid sept I rarely wear jeans. Its always shorts and a light weight shirt. Now that its that time of year I will go to the shop wearing the shorts with the smallest pockets I have or the lightest weight shorts (think backpacking style wicking shorts). and see how they "fit". Pictures are nice but you never know till you try them on.
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