Does the BATF still enforce Alcohol and Tobacco laws if any?
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BADSBSNF81
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BATFE is the new name.
Frog48
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I read an article recently about the ATF busting people that were operating stills in their homes/garages to distill ethanol to run in the cars. Wish I could find the link. I've also heard that they run stings to bust untaxed cigarettes. So yes, they do still enforce those laws. However, I think its a huge waste of time and taxpayer dollars.
The "revenoors" are still very very busy in the non A areas.
As for distilling alcohol for fuel for personal use it is perfectly legal so long as you get a permit and follow the rules.
Permit link if your interested
http://www.ttb.gov/forms/f511074.pdf
As for distilling alcohol for fuel for personal use it is perfectly legal so long as you get a permit and follow the rules.
Permit link if your interested
http://www.ttb.gov/forms/f511074.pdf
Animal Mother
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I'm not a smoker, but after the recent huge tax increase on cigarettes, I'd expect to see a increase in the black market for untaxed cigarettes.
Officers'Wife
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Not to drift the thread but what I don't understand is that alcohol & tobacco offenses are tax related. Save for full-auto and possibly sawed off shotguns, firearms offenses don't seem to fit.
Kind of Blued
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Well, they're a federal law enforcement agency. They enforce laws pertaining to the things in their name, whether that be taxes, transfer, book-keeeping, distribution, etc.
Officers'Wife
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IIRC, BATFE is an agency under the Treasury Department not the Justice Department.
dogtown tom
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Nope. BATFE is now under Justice for their law enforcement responsibilities. The Treasury still has an Alcohol, Tobacco and Trade Tax Bureau for collecting taxes.
Officers'Wife
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I stand corrected.
Ravenlunatic
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Here in sunny Louisville, KY, we have our own city ATF, (I used to work for local police installing radios, lights & sirens.) They would set up stings in local bars and liquor stores. On one occasion, they had an undercover op, looked young and had an underage id, try to purchase alcohol. She was turned down, then the agent walked in and claimed the bar sold the girl alcohol without checking her id. Tried to cite the bar.
My buddy I worked with told them that was not what happened and they had best not try to pull anything. (this was his home bar.) The agent got upset & tried to get some trouble going on with us, but they are sort of orphan stepchildren of the city agencies, so our boss told them to get stuffed.
My buddy I worked with told them that was not what happened and they had best not try to pull anything. (this was his home bar.) The agent got upset & tried to get some trouble going on with us, but they are sort of orphan stepchildren of the city agencies, so our boss told them to get stuffed.
Prince Yamato
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Try buying a large quantity of Cuban cigars and importing them...
Gunnerpalace
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Whiskey rebellion?
Kind of Blued
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I have shot, glasses, and shot glasses...
cookand
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Your tax dollars at work.
look into the history about how they banned drugs.
long story short, drugs were taxed, they just made it so you could not pay the tax( buy the stamp)
They used that trick to ban some other things as well, but not in along time.
also manufactors of guns and ammo do pay a excise tax.
FiREhAwk
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Yes, I know a fella who served a number of years for making shine. He is out now, but his wife passed away a few years after he was released, so he was lucky to spend the time with her that he did. There is no need to drop the A from ATFE yet.
Law enforcement activity regarding untaxed alcohol and cigarettes is almost entirely a state matter. ATF often teams up with local agencies since many of these operations are interstate. A standard operation involved people from New York City driving to northern Virginia and filling up their car with 500 cartons of cigs. The profit margin is huge because cigs are highly taxed in New York City.
DoubleTapDrew
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That's how they got to restrict NFA stuff. It's unconstitutional to ban them outright so just tax them at outrageous levels (for 1934). When inflation makes the tax not as big a deal, ban new ones (1968/1986) to cap the supply and demand will cause the price to skyrocket and give the same desired effect.
They were given permission to enforce firearms laws (what are there, 20,000 or so?) so they will. It's probably more 'fun and exciting' to go nail people that have the tools to repel borders, regardless of if they are an actual threat. And I'm sure firearms violations carry stiffer fines and penalties so it's probably looks good on measures of bureau effectiveness (dollars collected and prison years handed out). I don't think it's right or effective to regulate certain tools based on some perceived or imagined increase in lethality, and I think it has definitely hurt the American firearms industry. Who is going to spend time and money developing new tools that only a tiny fraction of the people can buy, and only after you pass their trials. Otherwise tough luck, eat your investment.
I'm sure if marijuana gets legalized some day we'll have the BATFEM, or Bat-Fem
Too bad it didn't stick to the first 3 letters like all the other .gov acronym agencies.SCKimberFan
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Does the BATF still enforce Alcohol and Tobacco laws if any?
You wouldn't be asking that question here in the Carolinas.
You wouldn't be asking that question here in the Carolinas.
DeepSouth
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Just start making Moon Shine, you'll find out pretty quick. I have known of a few fellas who met them round here in the last couple years.
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