Does your Kahr CM9 have a crappy trigger?

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FireInCairo

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The design of the Kahr trigger action is actually a really good piece of engineering.

That being said, I believe I've discovered something that sets the CM and PM series of pistols apart that Kahr isn't telling because it makes a pretty big difference.

They tout the CM pistol as a less refined version of the PM series, and that it is. They imply, however, most of the differences are merely outward appearance. That's not so.

If you look at Kahr's comparison sheet here, you will note something. The PM series has a machined slide stop, the CM series has an "metal-injection-molded" one:

http://www.kahr.com/PDF/CM9093.pdf

What does "metal-injection-molded" mean? It means it's quicker, easier, and cheaper to make. It doesn't require milling or machine-work, but a bunch can be "poured" out into a mold all in one shot.

Big deal, right? Wrong! One thing that happens when using injection molds for metal is there are always warts! Warts are the little nubs where the part had to be taken out of the mold from where the steel was poured.

I found out just how this affects the trigger of the CM9 because I've spent the last 4 days intimately sanding and buffing all the internals of my CM9 to get the trigger even close to what my PM40 was (which was a fine, fine shooting pistol).

What did I find inside the striker trigger action? WARTS!

There's good news and bad news with this. The good news is that Kahr, even with their injection molded parts, uses a very, very hard steel. I've seen newer Glock slides scrape from simple use, the metal they're using is so soft.

The Kahr, not so. But that brings us to the bad news, these hard warts will hinder your trigger action bigtime!

I know because the last few days as I've buffed every other part outside of the striker action to no avail.

It was only when I opened up the striker action and found not one, but two "injection-mold" warts where these important trigger parts were not properly sanded down and smoothed out. Additionally, it appears Kahr buffs what can be seen and reached easily on the CM series and leaves all the hard to reach parts unbuffed and rough.

After much sanding and buffing, the trigger is almost perfect. I will give it another go tomorrow sometime and when I get my Galloway lower weight trigger springs this pistol will likely shoot as beautiful as my PM40 did.

The moral of the story is, if you want a PM9 trigger, you have to pay for a PM9. If you want to do the work yourself, and I'm not so sure it's worth it, you can buy the CM9 and do the sanding and buffing yourself.

Don't let anyone tell you the PM and CM series are essentially the same. The CM9 comes complete with warts and all.
 
Here are a couple pictures after buffing. These parts are from the striker spring action. The first wart is faint, but you can see the circular impression in the very center. The second one is easy to spot, it was a big one! It looks like it could use more buffing, though my fingernail no longer catches on it.

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FireInCairo

No complaints or problems with the trigger on my CM9. In fact it's probably one of the smoothest ones I have had on a Kahr pistol.
 
All the CW's I've owned (3-4?) have had extraordinarily smooth triggers, fully equal to the MK I owned.


Larry
 
Thanks for the write up. I'm considering a CM9 and it's something to watch for. Based on other's replies it may be variable from handgun to handgun, and may be a QC issue for Kahr.
 
hey tout the CM pistol as a less refined version of the PM series, and that it is. They imply, however, most of the differences are merely outward appearance. That's not so.

I'm not sure how you can state in one breath that they imply that and then in the next make references to a comparison sheet from Kahr showing the difference. I think the differences are pretty obvious to anyone that does a modicum of research. Now some local gun shop sales guy may try that pitch. It wouldn't even break the top 100 in BS I've heard those types sling.

As to the feel of the trigger. I have decent experience with 3 different CW or CM guns and 4 different K series guns and a shooting buddy has a P9 that I have some time with. I'd have to go home and compare them side by side to speak definitively but I don't recall any kind of real difference in the trigger pulls. I have no complaint about my CM9 trigger.

I'd be careful about drawing to firm of conclusions from a sample size of one gun. A lot of internet BS gets started and spread around that way.
 
I called Kahr. There is no difference between the 2 models internal parts except for the slide stop. The different part numbers are just for inventory purposes.
 
They just announced a gen 2 trigger that I believe is a shorter pull, might be worth looking into
 
Other than condemn the entire line I would suspect that your CM was probably just a Monday gun. My CW45s trigger is if anything smoother than my PM9 was and the whole gun seams better fit than the PM.
 
I don't have another Kahr to compare it to, but I'm pleased with my cw45 trigger also. It has also been 100% reliable out of the box.
 
When I mentioned in another thread that the pistol had substantial muzzle dive when dry-firing, other owners chimed in and said that's typical. After researching the web, I found a lot of people with this issue. So I don't think it's unfair to raise the point and point out what I found in my pistol.

After a lot of sanding and buffing of the internals, as well as putting lower power springs from Galloway, the gun is a serviceable shooter now.

If this ruffles feathers, sorry. This thread will likely help others who may be having the same issue.
 
My Kahr CM9 has a smooth trigger. Feels exactly like the one in my father's MK9.
 
Other than condemn the entire line I would suspect that your CM was probably just a Monday gun. My CW45s trigger is if anything smoother than my PM9 was and the whole gun seams better fit than the PM.
I have to agree with you! I just bought a CW45...didn't think about another Kahr as I have a PM9 and CW380 but after trying the trigger I had to have it. The 45 has a better trigger than the other two..

If a gun I looked at had a trigger deemed "crappy" in my mind, I wouldn't have purchased that particular gun in the first place.
 
My CM9 had a bit of a "springy" sound when pulling the trigger and it didn't go away after the first three hundred rounds so I fixed it. There is a little spring that rides the trigger bar that kind of "catch and release" along the edge of the bar. I polished the edge of it and the sound went away. Didn't change the feel at all, which is just fine and feels identical to my P9.
 
The trigger isn't crappy

It's just long....

It was too long for me

The reset isn't what I wanted either

But..... Very reliable, and very small
 
The PM line has polygonal rifling, a dovetailed front sight, more rounded edges, the slide has much better roll marks and the finish looks to be a little more matte.

And no MIM slide stop in the PM series.....and one extra magazine.

I have owned both, but the CM9 was stolen out of my wife's car. I'm glad it wasn't the PM......
 
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