Does your LGS do this? I wonder why they would.

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A new LGS just opened near me. I went there yesterday and did a FFL transfer. The fee was cheap, $15. The lady told me, "next time, just let us order the gun for you, and save the transfer fee". That's nice. But, why would a gun shop be willing to lose the transfer fee money? I don't get it.:confused:

Here is their guarantee, directly from their website:
To our retail customers we offer:

"The Armory Management Guarantee; by the off chance that we don't carry what you want, whether it be a firearm or accessory, if it is possible to get, we will get it for you and you only pay our cost."
 
A: They aren't going to tell you what their real cost is so they will still make more off of the gun than the $15 fee.

B: They gain your trust as a customer so that you will purchase from them in the future.

Are you asking why this business wants you to be a customer? It's a business and businesses need customers...right? :confused:
 
It seems so. I've been there a couple of times. Prices are better than any of the local shops I've been to. Have observed the staff interacting with potential customers in a professional way (not BSing or talking down, you know the type). To top it off, they are but a mile from me. I see my wallet going on a diet soon.:D
They are in H-town.
 
A good LGS is hard to beat. I don't like dealing with the big box stores, if I can keep from it.
 
Where is H-town?

The point being local acronyms don't translate on the much larger perspective of the internet.

For me, the B&M's don't discount well, and if I want to 4473 an online, I get ignored because I'm ripping their cut. No one will book for nothing, so it sounds like a good deal, but the profit still has to be there.
 
Tirod said:
Where is H-town?
When speaking of Texas, "H-Town" is Houston. I want to know the name of the place.

Tirod said:
For me, the B&M's don't discount well, and if I want to 4473 an online, I get ignored because I'm ripping their cut. No one will book for nothing, so it sounds like a good deal, but the profit still has to be there.
Sounds like short-sighted ownership.

Low cost transfers are money in the bank for the following reasons:
• No investments in guns that may or may not sell
• No bound book issues after the customer picks up ("received" and "disposed of" all in 5 minutes or less)
• Paperwork takes (maybe) 15 minutes (cumulatively). At $15 per transfer, that's $60/hr (more, if you're faster with the paperwork).
 
the gun store makes more on a purchase than a transfer.

When you buy a gun online, your paying retail + shipping + transfer. the dealer only gets the transfer money.

When you order from the local shop, the shop pays wholesale. in turn they get $retail- wholesale. When I worked in a gun store, markup 20-30% On a $500 gun, that's over $100.

Everything they have on the shelf is money they have tied up. That's called inventory risk. If they pay $300 bucks for a gun that takes 5 years to sell, they've basically lost that $300. If it was something that sold right away, and continued selling as soon as it hit the shelf, they could easily make a few thousand dollars on that initial investment.

When they order something for you, they have no inventory risk.
 
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Sounds to me like a new business vying for repeat customers. I'd stop asking questions and start taking advantage of the deals! (If their "cost" is actually a decent price, that is.)
 
I have a local shop that will let you see his cost at say Elliot or other suppiers if haveing to order and charges only 10% over his cost for all guns. There was a couple shops like that back where i grew up. There's no way a person should have pay even close to retail today. It does not matter if the weapon is in stock or has to be ordered.
 
hardluk1 I have a local shop that will let you see his cost at say Elliot or other suppiers if having to order and charges only 10% over his cost for all guns.

Just so you know...

Several distributors offer dealers software or website access that can show my "dealer cost" however I want it to.

Example: Davidson's (Gallery of Guns) allows dealers to set the percentage of their markup. When a customer views their inventory on my laptop he has no idea what that gun will actually cost me from Davidsons.

And there is no set dealer cost on a gun. Dealers who buy 500 Glockchesters at a time get a better dealer price than those buying 5 at a time.
 
Just a few business related idea.

There are many considerations that factor into how a company sets its prices. For one, companies factor their total overhead into their cost of goods sold and develop their markups and margins from there. They consider their cost of holding inventory, but this is passed along in their cost of goods sold. Some product will turn over faster than expected while others stay on the shelf space longer than others. The trick is finding where the balance is. Also, a company can manage their inventory using FIFO (first in first out) or LIFO (last in first out) accounting methods. There are a number of different benefits associated with the use of each methods.

Also, some companies are factory direct with manufacturers that other stores have to use a distributor for. Most of the time, the high volume sellers that operate online are factory direct with manufactures and maintain large open accounts so they can get product cheaper.

Another consideration is the efficiency of the company's logistics and supply chain. An online retailer will have higher transportation costs as they will have far more frequent shipments made through 3rd party package carriers. But again, this is an added cost that may be offset that the lower prices they pay for higher volume orders and possibly less overhead to have to factor into their COGS.

Some companies with efficient supply chains are also capable of reducing their inventory costs by effectively employing Just in Time inventory methods. Like the name suggests, Just in Time inventory is the idea that inventory can be ordered as needed and arrive just in time for it to be sent to the customer, so that it spends a little time as possible being held in inventory.

Bottom line, business operates across a number of different competencies with a number of different processes. The way to minimize one's own operating costs, thus minimizing the prices that have to be pass on the consumer, depends entirely on how efficiently and effectively a company is able to operate.
 
:banghead:

Why, oh why, can't a place like this open up on the east side of Harris County? This place is still an hour's drive each way for me.

Not to besmirch AMSS, but another great shop out that way is Tomball Pawn who is locally famous for low prices. That might be why AMSS is selling itself this way - they have serious and well-established competition.

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dogtown tom We all know how to find a retail price right? If a retial price for say a ruger 7.5" SRH is 893 and i can buy that same weapon there for 680 that is a fairly well discounted price. But glocks sell for 505. He does not show everone his price but some of use do get to see. A some have bretter breaks than others. A s&w ar15 type rifle is what around 1200 +. I am not sure. He has some for 799 and a dpms for 836. guys come here along ways to buy. Now the price might be different depending on who the wholeseller is and how baddly you need it. Give him time to order with others price can be lower. Ain't no BS at this guys shop. He sells other than guns, clothing and boots, farm supply's. Groceies.gun safes an anything hunting.
 
I'd like to see more shops like that in my area. There's only one shop I know of near me that charges a reasonable transfer fee ($25) for any gun. The others either charge too much (like, $50 for the transfer) or refuse to do transfers at all, especially on new guns - their attitude is "if you want the gun, buy it from us." The problem there is that they often don't carry what I'm after, don't deal with distributors that can get it, and when they do have it their markup borders on the ridiculous.

I've never understood their standpoint about the transfers in particular. Maybe I don't know the whole process of the FFL's responsibilities in performing a transfer for a customer, but from where I stand, why wouldn't I take the $25, and take ten minutes to fill out the paperwork and make a phone call? Seems like money in my pocket for not a whole lot of work.

The most extreme case of "buy the gun from us" in my experience was when I was looking for the Armscor-imported version of the Tanfoglio pistols. I wanted the full-size, steel frame gun in 9mm; I called around to the shops as I often do, finding that most didn't deal with a distributor that carried them. Finally I found a dealer close by that said they could get one. I was very clear that I wanted the steel-framed gun, not the polymer; when they told me my gun had arrived I eagerly opened the case to find a polymer gun. They were quite offended when I declined to purchase, and acted as though I should have been grateful that they came close :rolleyes:

I'd buy from dealers around here, if they'd get what I want and not charge through the nose for it.
 
My LGS many times can beat the price of internet gun sites when you figure in shipping and transfer fee.....and they don't mind doing transfers for internet sites. Why? Cause they know most folks need ammo and a case to get the gun home with. Also they sell/mount scopes and sell dies and other components for reloading newly acquired calibers. They also know that if they are friendly and give folks a good product at a decent price, folks will come there first the next time they need anything gun or sporting goods related. Seems it must work. I was just there yesterday and altho there were three family members behind the counter(yep...it's a mom and pop operation), I still had to wait 4 deep in line to buy my primers and powder.(BTW.......even tho they were outta the 4# jug of powder I wanted, they sold me 4 one pounders with the same lot # for the same price).
 
My local gun store data point (I TRULY hate acronyms, even when I know what they mean):

I picked up a sporterized Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk. 1 for $175. They advertised that same gun on one of the auction boards for $200.
 
"The Armory Management Guarantee; by the off chance that we don't carry what you want, whether it be a firearm or accessory, if it is possible to get, we will get it for you and you only pay our cost."
If taken at face value, this sounds a little unrealistic. I think you will see this disappear after a few months of lost money.
 
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