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Does your SD long gun have a light?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by ChristopherG, Dec 2, 2010.

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Does your home defense long gun have a light?

Poll closed Jan 1, 2011.
  1. Yes, my long-gun has a light attached.

    73 vote(s)
    42.7%
  2. No, my long-gun does not have a light attached.

    68 vote(s)
    39.8%
  3. I prefer a handgun for home defense BECAUSE it leaves me a hand for a light.

    30 vote(s)
    17.5%
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  1. ChristopherG

    ChristopherG Member

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    Reading another thread about a choice of long-guns for home defense made me wonder about the prevalence of lights on long arms (potentially) used in that capacity. If you keep a long gun loaded and available with the notion that it might be employed for home defense, does it have a light attached?

    If so, what is your rifle/carbine/shotgun + weaponlight combo, and how are you satisfied with it? Any strengths or weaknesses of the system to share?

    If not, is it just something you haven't considered, or have you practiced/trained to use a handheld light with your long-gun (hint: it's hard), or ... ?
     
  2. ChristopherG

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    I'll start.

    My always-there home defense long-gun is an 870 with a Streamlight TLR-1 attached. The light is attached to a doohickey at the end of the slide, i.e., at the base of the extended mag tube. It's a good light and I have no issues with it EXCEPT that it's not a dedicated Surefire forend, which looks like the way to go for the 870 platform; but for that kind of money, I could get the better part of another AR to put the streamlight on.

    As one might guess by my starting the thread, I think a white light is absolutely necessary on a long gun. The experience that drove this home for me was being trained to use a flashlight with the AR in my patrol car. Short summary: It Sucked. I quickly got my own AR for duty use, to which I could attach a TLR-1 (and an Aimpoint--but that's another thread).

    Look forward to reading other people's thoughts and experiences.
     
  3. Jed Carter

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    Personaly I think for HD a light just gives away your position, I prefer a handgun with tritium night sights (SIG P226 in .357SIG) or a Mossberg 930 SPX, no light. Now if zombies are just outside I might wish I had a Streamlight.
     
  4. 788Ham

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    I'm like Jed, I want them to guess where I am. If they want to kick in the door in the middle of the night to come scavenge, I want them to have as big of a surprise as they've ever had when arriving! :what:
     
  5. Deanimator

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    1. A long gun is not appropriate in my home for self-defense.
    2. I don't like lights on firearms in a civilian environment.
    I use a separate handgun and flashlight.
     
  6. Shawn Dodson

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    My 870 is equipped with a Surefire WeaponLight so I can illuminate a threat to ID it (and the area immediately behind it). I intend to use a verbal challenge in attempt to identify the threat as friend or foe as early in the encounter as possible.

    It's also equipped with XS Sight Systems 24/7 Big Dot tritium rifle sights so I can see my sights in low light.

    My Glock 19 is fitted with a rail mounted Streamlight M3 and XS Sight Systems 24/7 Big Dot tritium sights for the same reasons.

    If I feel the need to quietly investigate a noise I may carry a separate handheld high-intensity flashlight.

    My M4s are equipped with SureFire WeaponLights however they're meant as emergency preparedness rifles in the event of a breakdown in law and order after a hurricane or other event.
     
  7. bigfatdave

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    I wonder if I could patent and market a bayonet-lug attachment for standard flashlights?

    I would have voted for option 2 and 3 if it were possible, the loaded handgun and light are on my person most of the time, while the long guns are in the cabinet, cleared with loaded mags handy.

    There is a flashlight in the cabinet, but it is there because my cabinet lighting sicks, not as a grab-and-go.
     
  8. KodiakBeer

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    Yeah, methinks a light would just be a huge neon arrow pointing to you and saying "Shoot here".
     
  9. kwelz

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    A self defense gun without a light is ineffective at best in a nighttime environment. Night sights don't do any good if you can't identify the target.

    And the whole argument that a light just gives away your position has been thoroughly debunked. Learn how to use the tools you have including the light and you will be fine.
     
  10. Six

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    Fortunately my light turns both on and off.
     
  11. Old krow

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    No, I do not keep one on my long guns. One of my handguns is typically the "go to" gun anyway, but I use a handheld light if I need one.
     
  12. BADUNAME13

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    Handgun and rifle and shotgun (Shotgun not out the safe)

    All have night sites/lights.

    (Ones I use seriously)
     
  13. Vermonter

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    Doesn't have to be on all the time. Flash and move. In my home mine would likely stay off because the dog will identify friend or foe.
     
  14. browningguy

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    I have a Mossy 500 with a light, AR in 5.7x28 with a light, AR in .223 with a light, KelTec Sub 2000 with a light.

    Lights make me a much better shooter in the dark, and it gives the advantage of actually knowing what you are shooting. I've actually used mine quite a lot, but only when we go varmint hunting at night at the deer camp.
     
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    Light gives you the option..

    Without the light you do not have the option.

    I learned in Faluja the value of a weapons mounted light.
     
  16. Hatterasguy

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    Light? I just plan on opening up, the muzzle flash with light up everyone's world.
     
  17. Iam2taz

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    I don't want a light on my gun. Mainly, I don't want to point my gun at something that I might not want to destroy. What if it is one of my knuckledheaded son's friends banging around in the middle of the night. Kid might not know where the light switch is and make all kinds of noise. This happened one time. - It wasn't the kids fault. He woke up sick. Puking his guts out. He ate some bad chinesee. Trying to find a glass, he dropped it and it broke everywhere. Make a heck of a noise in the middle of the night.
     
  18. esheato

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    Yes, I have a light. Benelli M2 with Surefire forend. I also have a 3 year old that I need to account for and not shoot him by mistake.

    I'll take my changes on getting shot/attacked....but I'm not going to assume anything.

    Besides, I need a light way more often than I need a gun.
     
  19. ChristopherG

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    That there, IMO, is the best and only real reason NOT to have a weapon-mounted light. The way around it is, of course, to use secondary/spillover light for target identification and searching. That's the main benefit of a handgun, to me, in the dark--you can use a flashlight in one hand and point it directly at things WITHOUT pointing your gun (in your other hand) at them, too. But the advantages of a long-gun are so overwhelming that it's worth it to learn to use a weapon-mounted light, no question, to me.

    A weapon mounted light makes night time shooting MUCH, MUCH more effective. The objection that it will make you a target appears to completely overlook the problem that you cannot safely shoot at anything in any environment without seeing it. And, dog forbid your home invader should have a light when you don't.
     
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    I've got a handheld next to my Glock with TRL1 on my nightstand.

    additionally you can point the gun at the ground in the low ready and illuminate the potential threat, or to the side.

    Light beam isn't a bullet path.

    Again, a weapons mounted light gives you OPTIONS.

    Doesn't mean you haveta use it.

    I've cleared probably several hundred houses.

    Wouldn't be without it.
     
  21. bigfatdave

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    You wake up with dark-adapted eyes, and should be able to see fairly well, particularly in your familliar home. Once you turn on the light, your pupils will contract and you'll lose the natural nightvision.

    Once a light goes on, it is staying on, because now you need it or you'll have to wait for the natural pupil opening.
     
  22. jdh

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    Yes I have lights on the long guns. 1. I want to know what I am about to shoot. 2. It is hard to shoot back with a very bright light in your eyes.

    No the mounted light is not a general use light nor a "search" light.
     
  23. Six

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    For those of you without a light...

    So you find yourself engaging a BG in or around your home.

    After the first shots go off, and you're both ducking to count holes and find that the number hasn't recently and suddenly changed. You find some position to watch and listen.

    Now what is the advantage of not having a light?

    The BG, if he's still in the fight, has a decent idea of where you are and doesn't need to worry about things like collateral damage. He's free to take full advantage of the lack of cover provided by half inch drywall.

    You however won't know whether the next shape that shows up is the BG, a neighbor checking on you, an officer who was in the area, or whatever else.

    I understand that you don't want to have a bright bullet magnet, but if you find yourself holding a long gun and needing a light, wouldn't it be terrific to have one handy with the flick of a finger?

    The argument seems to be against having a light, the argument should be against using the light inappropriately.
     
  24. Double Naught Spy

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    Let's see, by comparison most handgun calibers and loads are anemic compared to most centerfire rifles or shotguns, so the better power choice isn't the handgun.

    Lights can illuminate and provide a point of reference. Of course, handheld lights can as well. Sure, a handheld light can be held away from the body and in a large open dark environment, that certainly could be advantageous. Being able to handhold a light away from the body in the confines of a home interior with all of its corners and halls would be a really nifty skill - not impossible, but more difficult than with a weapon mounted light.

    One of the really cool things about having lights on weapons is the ability to use them or not. They are simply another option. One nifty thing about them on home defense guns (long gun or handgun) is that if you need to do something with your weak hand, you don't have to find some place to stash the light, or how quickly, while your weak hand handles the necessary task.

    Usually when right-handed shooters talk about using a handheld light, it is with the weak hand. The safety is that it can be held away from the body, usually being lateral from the body or high lateral.

    Most bad guys are right handed as well. If they are inexperienced/unskilled shooters, they will likely have a flinch and that flinch will be low and left. So if the home owner is holding the light left or high left, the low left shooting by the bad guy very will may be right on target.

    Well, cops are civilians. If you mean by non-leo and non-military folks, I am not sure that their employment is such that their need to see the opposition in a combative situation is so much greater than our needs to see the opposition that a light would not be beneficial.

    Maybe. Then again, there are lots of folks who teach us to do things in such a circumstance that our positions would most definitely be compromised. Think about all those folks teach that teach Shoot, Move, Communicate. Think of all the instructors that teach that you need to give a verbal challenge to an intruder, the verbal challenge being such that the intruder may egress the situation or surrender before you have to shoot and potentially take another person's life that will change your life, forever. The verbal challenge also giving you one last chance to positively identify the perceived intruder as a real intruder. Certainly this was a lesson being taught for years at Thunder Ranch in Texas.

    Think about all those who teach that the sound of a pump shotgun will often cause intruders to flee.

    Such methods also compromise your position and the element of surprise. It just may be just the ticket to allow the intruder to duck out of sight and setup to ambush you.

    Of course, the light also says to the bad guy, "You are spotted and I can shoot you."

    If you think about it long enough, there are pros and cons to just about every option in a self defense situation and what is a beneficial in one type of situation may be a detrimental in another.
     
  25. sprice

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    I use a long gun with a light in the other hand.

    16" bcm ar with an led junior streamlight. The light's pretty cheap, but it works.
     
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