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Dog shooter get's justice from victim

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  1. Diggler

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    OKAAAAAYYY...

    I was dissecting frogs and fetal pigs in high school, and received a B.S. in Biology and no where did I ever hear that.

    A human is a human, no matter if he/she is retarded or not. It is not our place to put values on human life based on mental capacity.

    A dog is just an animal. In many parts of the world, "It's What's For Dinner."
     
  2. Goet

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    HUH?
     
  3. CentralTexas

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    Lesdexic? Dyslexic?

    Geez, major mistakes when making a point tend to make one look stupid.
    I meant to say the reverse, that humans are also animals....
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  4. CentralTexas

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    Diggler...

    You said-

    "A human is a human, no matter if he/she is retarded or not. It is not our place to put values on human life based on mental capacity."

    But that is what makes us the top animal on the planet- our mental capacity. That's where you are making your judgment to kill a lower animal- that they aren't as smart as we are.

    Why isn't it our place? We do it every day, medical personnel, bean counters at HMO's etc., individual states argue if brain death or heart stoppage is death. Enlisted military are for the majority not college grads like officers, who gets to go out and fight the enemy & die and who stays in the rear???


    CT
     
  5. Tamara

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    It takes a special outlook on life to have a state law that makes shooting domestic canines (chattel property) a felony while shooting Bambi is still a sport.

    Too many Yankees and Californians are apparently allowed to move to Florida and vote.

    The teenage-girl-ification of America moves apace. :rolleyes:
     
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    com on boy ---> some things just meant to be
     
  7. R.H. Lee

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    :confused: Why would we leave God's country to move to a humid bug infested place that gets levelled by hurricanes every year??? No offense to Floridians, I'm sure it's a LOVELY place, it just doesn't compare to California's beaches, deserts, mountains and climate. :cool:
     
  8. Diggler

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    That's not where I'm making my judgement. There is a distinct line between humans and animals.

    I defer to Denis Leary's song, "Save This."

    Well, on that note I'm going to go eat some chops from the boar my 10 year old killed himself, pet my dog and not feel one bit hypocritical about it.

    :D
     
  9. Malice

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    Some of you may be missing the point of the animal cruelty charges. The dogs were not stray. They were not old. They were in "good health." They were not rabid.

    Shooting healthy and happy puppies is different from shooting your old hound that got into a skit with a racoon and developed rabies.

    Bottom line is, he should have given them to a shelter. At least that way they would have had a CHANCE to be picked up by a loving and carefull owner who deserved to own an animal.
     
  10. Diggler

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    Does the law differentiate between an old hound bitten by a rabid raccoon or a healthy one?

    BTW, I don't want to give the impression that I am not compassionate towards animals or would treat them badly. I hunt, but do everything I can to ensure a quick, humane kill. If a domestic animal needs put down, I will do what needs to be done. But animals do not have the same rights as people. And I definitely don't agree with the police confiscating his firearms because of this.

    Bad judgement? Yes. Unneccessary? Yes/Probably. Would I have done anything like this? Definitely not. Criminal? Not to me.
     
  11. Sawdust

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    Uh, Tamara, how about a little slack with that wide brush with which you are painting Californians? :scrutiny:

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  12. 444

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    When I read this, I was really sorry that the bullet hit his wrist and not his head.
     
  13. campbellcj

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    A lot of great posts above. I am definitely not a PETA "animals are people too" fanatic, but in my view the case for the prosecution could very easily stick by showing that the (dumba$$ defendant) bred the puppies with the premeditated knowledge that they most likely would not be adopted. He knowingly did not practice common-sense animal birth control and went ahead and had puppies that he had no intention of keeping on his property long-term if they did not magically disappear to new homes. (Much easier said than done; BTDT.)

    There are approx 5 MILLION dogs euthanized in the US alone every year. Getting shot like this idiot is not the real problem -- the real problem is that pet owners are not responsible about ownership and breeding.

    I'm not sure about a head shot, but a nice gut or groin shot would've been good kennel justice for this guy.
     
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    Some of you people scare me.
     
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    Something tells me that he was holding the dog, with his hand under the pups chin and the gun to the back of the dogs head, I don’t think I would admit doing that myself.


    As for the animal cruelty charges, follow the money! The local Gub'ment wants to get a shelter to deal with all the dogs and cats that people are too week and simple minded to put down. Surprise Surprise! Another government money pit is created and in a effort to keep the animal shelter open, the bunny huggers (who are making a living by working at the shelter) do some arm twisting down at the city hall and all of a sudden the DA is pressing charges against anyone who dose not obediently take his $$ and unwanted dog to be killed in a sanctioned killing facility, oops I meant to say shelter.
     
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    "I'm not sure about a head shot, but a nice gut or groin shot would've been good kennel justice for this guy."

    Ok, you are right. He would suffer more.
     
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    This whole thread is disturbing.
     
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    444: How do you feel about hunters or the human society killing millions of animals?

    This thread is more disturbing than storm front could ever be.
     
  19. Tharg

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    yeeee haw

    I raise dogs as extra income and can tell you they don't always sell.

    Yes i said this - and i can tell you that i've yet to have HAD to euthanize a dog cause it didn't sell - but i'm not stupid enough to know that it can't happen.

    There ain't much difference in sending it to a shelter (to maybe get bought - yes ... maybe) or get euthanized there by other people living off donations/state funds... or doing it myself. Because someone is too chicken)(*&) to do it themselves might be looked at ... as should be whole lot of self-accountablility issues in the US of A.

    *I* know that even should a puppy of mine hit 3 months old or better that it usually can be given away or sold very cheaply to someone wanting to breed a purbred who doesn't want to wait for a puppie puppie to grow up. (its how we aquired our Mastiffs - and we LOVE our mastiffs... they have the run of the house)

    who is right? i don't know - don't particularly believe the mentally ill should be given a free pass either.... but then thats inhumane right? <bleh> This country slips faster and faster into the morass of the few spending to keep the majority comfortable... i don't know i could pass that "sentence" on to a mental state school person... my inherent proclivities prolly wouldn't let me be the decider of that. But when it comes to an animal that i know i can't or won't provide a home for, its MUCH better in my eyes to send it on to heaven (all dogs go there ya know...) than it is to let it suffer for however long before the same end happens.

    Yes - your local shelter does that... because people let thier dogs run loose, people get a pet and then move to someplace they can't keep the pet - so they do what they think is "right" and dump it somewhere (its got a chance now right???) or they take it to a shelter so they feel better about thier decision to aquire a pet - and try not to feel guilty about thier decision to move someplace where they can't keep the pet. Or plain decide they don't want to be responsible for the pet after they aquire it. (its too much hassle to have a pit bull in an apartment... whaaa... didn't know it was gonna be such a pain... ) Back to that whole accountablility thing.

    Yes - i know purebreds have more issues. Ask any breeder... (duh) Mutts will have loads of puppies and nurse all of em almost perfectly. Sure wish i had that problem w/ my animals. Still - people want and are willing to pay for papers... This day and age... i don't ask a lot of questions on a legal activity that makes me money to support my family. Bet you don't eat hamburgers either... those poor cows.... raised to be killed.... how many per day you think get slaughtered so you can have a big mac? Least i'm raising mine to make someone happy.... the man who said you can't buy happiness never bought a puppy. <heh>

    Can't afford spay and neuter. - I think most of the people who would say this don't think they are gonna have a problem keeping sparky in the back yard w/ her finding someone to mate with. SO it would be a non issue... untill sparky digs/climbs out and gets knocked up... Yes - still thier fault... all our pet dogs up till we started breeding are spay'd / neutered. You have to in the country.... cause our dogs roam.

    Country life - so as to put it in perspective for one who doesn't know... means that there ain't a shelter around the corner, that roaming dogs that don't go home at night get a warning shot... and if they come back get a killing shot... there isn't any "pet control" to call (and they'd laugh at you if there was one) It means that animals are animals, and ya don't necessarily WANT to do what you should do, but we here don't have them there fancy places to clean our consciences with, we take care of it ourselves.

    Sorry if this seemed attacking - but if there is one thing i'm tired of - its people that think they are morally better than me - because they push the issue off to someone else. I'd understand if the idiot was torturing the pups... but he was doing it the best way he knew how - and got hung up on being (un)safe w/ his weapons. For this he's criminal? Nopers.

    Yer right - i've the compassion to know that a well placed bullet is better than months of starvation and scavaging to die of hunger or to be caught and sent to a shelter to sit in a small cage till it is either adopted or euthanized or shot while its trying to scavenge a morsel to eat. The animals that live on this ranch would argue w/ you till you are blue in the face that we aren't bad people. All 8 dogs in the house would lick you till ya drowned proving it. :)

    J/Tharg
     
  20. abaddon

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    He should have just put them in a box and hooked it up to the back of his car. They'd just go to sleep.
     
  21. Horsesense

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    It amazes me that even on a board where most of the participants have their eyes open to the truth of the brain washing the sheeple receive at the hands of the media concerning guns, the majority are blind to the secular humanist, feminist touchy feeley brain washing they themselves have received regarding dogs and cats.


    Fifty years ago, you would have been the oddball.

    Could the dogs have had hip displace? The article doesn't say but you have been conditioned to assume that man is wrong and animals are being oppressed. Have you ever had said "I wish that abortion doctor had cut off his finger instead of dismembering a baby"? Bah bah that would go against our training!, some would say.

    I will go out on a limb and speculate that the poor guy, who is being charged with animal cruelty, felt compelled to make the putting down as painless and stress free as possible and ended up shooting himself, because he was holding the dog and shot threw its head and into his wrist. People make up stories to cover up doing dumb things all the time only this poor saps story got him in trouble. I can see it now; the ER Dr. inquires how he got shot and, not wanting to admit that he shot himself, he said that the dog done it. The Dr. calls the Police and reports the valiant struggle the puppy put up and the cruelty of the man. The guy got himself arrested and made the national headlines. The Dr most likely delighted in causing pain while the treated to wound.

    You think I reading my own bias into my theory? Yes I am, but can you see that you are doing the same?
     
  22. seeker_two

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    Sometimes God just makes it all work out.... :D


    The guy should be punished for animal cruelty. Maybe 100 hours community service in the local animal shelter....teaching gun safety. :p

    And, whoever adopts this puppy should get jail time if they name it anything BUT "Shooter".... :cool:
     
  23. Tharg

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    ROFL - shooter...

    definitely.

    Its funny tho. Because this got lots of radio time - I don't know about TV time - there will be a whole bunch of people who want to adopt THESE remaining pups... out of the blue.

    Never mind these same people could have picked up a dog at the shelter if they were such "humanists"

    But they will tell the story in the future to someone how they "saved" a dog who was about to be put to death by getting shot! (gasp, awwwww)

    I too defer to Dennis Leary. "and what are you? - I'm an otter - and what do you do? - i swim on my back and do cute lil human things w/ my hands!!! - your free to go."

    "and what are you? - i'm a cow - get on the truck - but i'm an animal i have rights - yer a f09*)(**& baseball mitt get on the truck"

    J/Tharg!
     
  24. CentralTexas

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    Horsesense?

    Ironic name.
    You said-
    "As for the animal cruelty charges, follow the money! The local Gub'ment wants to get a shelter to deal with all the dogs and cats that people are too week and simple minded to put down. Surprise Surprise!Another government money pit is created and in a effort to keep the animal shelter open, the bunny huggers (who are making a living by working at the shelter) do some arm twisting down at the city hall and all of a sudden the DA is pressing charges against anyone who dose not obediently take his $$ and unwanted dog to be killed in a sanctioned killing facility, oops I meant to say shelter."
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    The local Gub'ment wants to get a shelter to deal with all the dogs and cats that people are too week and simple minded to put down.Surprise Surprise!

    Uh, are you saying you prefer irresponsible overbreeders to kill their surplus OR the local govt not have a shelter? I don't think either of those options make sense...

    2-the bunny huggers (who are making a living by working at the shelter)
    It's obvious you don't realize the majority of folks at shelters are just employees that need a job. Heve you ever dealt with shelters???? Some do like animals but I have yet to see them manned by "bunny huggers". I wish they were then a better job might get done at most Govt shelters...

    3-do some arm twisting down at the city hall and all of a sudden the DA is pressing charges against anyone who dose not obediently take his $$ and unwanted dog to be killed in a sanctioned killing facility, oops I meant to say shelter."

    WHere to begin? Yes sometimes people pressure a DA to take action & sometimes they do. Here in Austin the ONE animal cruelty cop doesn't have a clue and seems not to care. FEW cases are ever filed etc., I doubt with the exception of a few places it's any different where you are.
    Sanctioned killing facility is right, our society places a dollar value on pets.
    I see losers here faced with a $100 vet bill choose a $30 euth- no killing their pet. Couldn't do without cable TV for a month could we...
    AAAAACKKK!!!!
    CT
     
  25. CentralTexas

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    I really like these posts defending

    this guy. Argue we don't know if the dogs were defective etc., How it's humane to kill dogs that are healthy etc.

    Look-
    1- this loser doesn't spay or neuter
    2-this caused more unwanted pets
    3-was too lazy or cheap or both to find homes for them
    4-too cheap to pay to have them killed (not that that was even a good option)
    5-Anyone who can shoot puppies one after another is a serial killer in the making & I wouldn't want them around kids

    Shooting a sick and dying farm dog is one thing but this was another....
    CT
     
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