I think the only thing I'd have to say is that if I was carrying a Sig, I would keep my eyes on the thing the whole time I was doing the duty. I regularly unholster in that situation to keep it in my control at all times. I do not need someone seeing and/or grabbing my Les Baer out of my holster as it dangles under the stall. In addition, each of my guns is like my baby and it's painful to think of selling it, much less walking off and leaving it for someone else to steal. I know it was a mistake, but I carry 100% of the time and am mindful every second of that 100% that I am responsible for keeping it in my control.
DOH! irresponsible gun owner A COP
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Orthonym
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There was a thread on this subject a while back.
Yosemite Sam seems to concur with me and Jeff Cooper about the best reason to wear briefs, not boxers. I do try to remember to change 'em every day or so.
It might be necessary to adopt a wide stance, though...
Yosemite Sam seems to concur with me and Jeff Cooper about the best reason to wear briefs, not boxers. I do try to remember to change 'em every day or so.
It might be necessary to adopt a wide stance, though...
Orthonym
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Bump.
Orthonym
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Do as i say, not as I do.
Actually, our Mothers were right. I think it really is important to be wearing clean underwear if one gets hurt, not just for social, but for medical reasons. Antibiotics don't work as well as they used to, and sanitation is coming back into favor. (I hope so!)
Before penicillin was discovered, the medical folks were much more careful about cleanliness than they got to be during the oblivious antibiotic era. One of the things which killed my Dad was Methycillin-Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus.
I'm pretty much a slob and slacker when it comes to personal cleanliness, but in my defense I insist that hardly anyone comes near me,anyway.
Actually, our Mothers were right. I think it really is important to be wearing clean underwear if one gets hurt, not just for social, but for medical reasons. Antibiotics don't work as well as they used to, and sanitation is coming back into favor. (I hope so!)
Before penicillin was discovered, the medical folks were much more careful about cleanliness than they got to be during the oblivious antibiotic era. One of the things which killed my Dad was Methycillin-Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus.
I'm pretty much a slob and slacker when it comes to personal cleanliness, but in my defense I insist that hardly anyone comes near me,anyway.
Officers'Wife
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Actually a soldier would have gotten stockade time in a similar circumstance. But then soldiers are generally held to professional standards.
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jackmead said:
I hate to hammer this guy but,,,"I am the only one professional enough in this room to handle a Glock 40"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pf3ID3XQ6o
OK, lets see, failed to drop the loaded magazine while unloading, off camera so not sure what he did, plus failure to keep your finger off the trigger equals a 40 hole in foot. Damn lucky a child wasn't hit.
Notch
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"Many people could have been shot or killed if the wrong person had walked into that bathroom and found the gun,"
Sounds like the "wrong person" already had the gun.
Sounds like the "wrong person" already had the gun.
I know this happens, but what would have happened to Joe citizen? Since the weapon was recovered by public, the officer should be severely disciplined. Termination would not be out of the question since she was pretty reckless with a "deadly weapon".
I think some kind of punishment is in order, but you have to keep in mind that there is not an inexhaustible supply of cops to replace all the cops some of you want fired. Add in the cost of training a new cop to replace the one you just fired, and you can see one of the non-obvious reasons why firing cops is not a real popular option.
No crime was committed here, just brain fart.
No crime was committed here, just brain fart.
what would have been the cost of that brain fart should that gun gotton into the wrong hands?
what if you were a CCW holder and you left your weapon in a public bathroom and LEO found it? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the very least that would happen is your going to have your CCW anymore.
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Cop leaves gun in bathroom by mistake
Man you just have to love John Q public.They have their Government hire people to protect them,and then offer them just enough money to keep them off of the Welfare roles.Then they put them all under a microscope and judge them on everything they are perceived doing,or not doing.They want the Police to stop people from driving like morons in their neighborhoods,but get vey angry if they are stopped doing the same thing in someone elses neighborhood.The next thing the public does is allow the police departments to shrink in size as the calls for service go up through the years to keep taxes manageable.
As far as I am concerned,if I was on the job now,I would do as little as possible,try to keep low profile,and have another job in view ,just in case I ever left my gun in the bathroom.Thanks public for your great support.
Man you just have to love John Q public.They have their Government hire people to protect them,and then offer them just enough money to keep them off of the Welfare roles.Then they put them all under a microscope and judge them on everything they are perceived doing,or not doing.They want the Police to stop people from driving like morons in their neighborhoods,but get vey angry if they are stopped doing the same thing in someone elses neighborhood.The next thing the public does is allow the police departments to shrink in size as the calls for service go up through the years to keep taxes manageable.
As far as I am concerned,if I was on the job now,I would do as little as possible,try to keep low profile,and have another job in view ,just in case I ever left my gun in the bathroom.Thanks public for your great support.
I'd be willing to bet there is no dearth of qualified applicants for police jobs in your neck of the woods. that would tend to indicate that the pay and benefits are considered adequate by the applicants.
That's the way it should be.
I have no idea about you local LE agencys, but in my neck of the woods they make a 15k more to start then the state HOUSEHOLD average. + beenies that are not found anywhere in the private sector. With OT its not uncommon for some one with a few years exp to make 70k. Makes me sick when I think how worthless they are...
I don't consider the cops around here to be worthless, but they seem to be adequately paid. The laws of economics will eventually catch up with any employer that does not have an adequate pay and benefits package and they won't have enough qualified applicants. LE is no different in that respect than any other job. If you are getting a good supply of qualified applicants, your pay and benefits are acceptable. If not, you need to improve them.
Around here the cops with the dogs and supervisors seem to get the most OT. It is always the K9 cops, SWAT guys, and the sgts that are the ones that are into $100k+ when the numbers get published each year.
Ironically the Rockford PD chief the other day admitted that the reason why the PD OT budget was $1,000,000 in the red last year was because there was no control over it. He acted like that was not his fault, as if it was something he had no influence on.
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My previous post was about holding the offending officer to a higher standard and penalty. In no way do I agree with your statement above. Of course, you think I'm worthless, so my opinion will be worthless to you...
I think I hit a nerve,
I never said you were worthless. I said my local LE agency as a WHOLE is worthless. I deal with them on a professional level several times a month. Every thing from simple crime reports to forced evictions and just about every thing inbetween. To date I've had 1 good proffessional EXP with them. I was so pleased that I went strait to the watch officers and told them how pleased I was, and thanked them. The other side of that is I've had to do the same thing telling them how displeased I was with them.
I never said you were worthless. I said my local LE agency as a WHOLE is worthless. I deal with them on a professional level several times a month. Every thing from simple crime reports to forced evictions and just about every thing inbetween. To date I've had 1 good proffessional EXP with them. I was so pleased that I went strait to the watch officers and told them how pleased I was, and thanked them. The other side of that is I've had to do the same thing telling them how displeased I was with them.
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The police around here give traffic tickets and meet up at either 1 of 2 of the busiest gas stations in town.
Of course, if it is dark then it takes 3 cars with 2 cops per car to pull over a teenage girl in a pink neon.
Not that I care...I leave them alone and they leave me alone. But to think I would trust my life with them is the biggest friggin joke I've ever heard.
Of course, if it is dark then it takes 3 cars with 2 cops per car to pull over a teenage girl in a pink neon.
Not that I care...I leave them alone and they leave me alone. But to think I would trust my life with them is the biggest friggin joke I've ever heard.
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10,513 example: thieves fail to open gun safe !
St Paul,Minn
Burglary: Residents in the 2500 block of Germain Street reported about 10 p.m. Dec. 31 that someone entered their home through a sliding glass door and stole several items. Jewelry, liquor, a guitar, cell phones and other items were stolen. Thieves failed to open a gun safe.
definition of a cheap, idiot gun nut: a gun owner who doesn't own and USE a gun safe.
St Paul,Minn
Burglary: Residents in the 2500 block of Germain Street reported about 10 p.m. Dec. 31 that someone entered their home through a sliding glass door and stole several items. Jewelry, liquor, a guitar, cell phones and other items were stolen. Thieves failed to open a gun safe.
definition of a cheap, idiot gun nut: a gun owner who doesn't own and USE a gun safe.
I don't want to see the deputy strung up for her screw-up, especially since nobody was hurt.
I do, however, want to know the sort of consequences that a private citizen would reap were he to do the same. If the consequences are different, then I would join in the squawking & guffawing at her expense.
I do, however, want to know the sort of consequences that a private citizen would reap were he to do the same. If the consequences are different, then I would join in the squawking & guffawing at her expense.
tydephan
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Man I love a good "Cop Bash" thread
My old Grandpappy used to say, "Don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes."
Let's look at this from a couple of different angles:
The Cop
Imagine you are 50 years old. Imagine that 27 years ago you committed to a career - to protect and to serve. You spent 16 weeks of training and accomplished goals you never thought you would. You came out of the academy and dedicated yourself to being the best officer you can be. You go through the years. Foot pursuits. High Speed pursuits. Drawing your gun. Working fatilities. Notifying parents that their son died in a car accident. Arresting drunk drivers. Etc. You spend 27 years of service, without as much as a negative mark on your permanent record.
And then...one day, you screw up. You leave your gun in the bathroom. No doubt, it is a serious offense that took place during a bone-headed moment. No one is killed by your mistake. No one is injured by your mistake. To some extent, no one is even inconvenienced by your mistake.
To all of you who say she should be fired, would you think the same thing if you were in her shoes in the exact same situation? Be honest with yourself.
The Department
Imagine you are the Chief of Police. It costs ~$40,00-60,000 to train and equip a police officer. One of your problem-free officers commits a mistake that shouldn't have been committed. But you've only got so many officers, and this one is a 27-year veteran nearing retirement.
To all of you who say she should be fired, would you think the same thing if you were the Chief of Police and her fate was in your hands?
I'm not accosting anyone for your opinions. But like NDs, it is easy for us to sit on the interwarb and post stuff without truly being introspective.
It seems to me that termination in this case is not warranted. She should be punished, but not terminated. JMO.
My old Grandpappy used to say, "Don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes."
Let's look at this from a couple of different angles:
The Cop
Imagine you are 50 years old. Imagine that 27 years ago you committed to a career - to protect and to serve. You spent 16 weeks of training and accomplished goals you never thought you would. You came out of the academy and dedicated yourself to being the best officer you can be. You go through the years. Foot pursuits. High Speed pursuits. Drawing your gun. Working fatilities. Notifying parents that their son died in a car accident. Arresting drunk drivers. Etc. You spend 27 years of service, without as much as a negative mark on your permanent record.
And then...one day, you screw up. You leave your gun in the bathroom. No doubt, it is a serious offense that took place during a bone-headed moment. No one is killed by your mistake. No one is injured by your mistake. To some extent, no one is even inconvenienced by your mistake.
To all of you who say she should be fired, would you think the same thing if you were in her shoes in the exact same situation? Be honest with yourself.
The Department
Imagine you are the Chief of Police. It costs ~$40,00-60,000 to train and equip a police officer. One of your problem-free officers commits a mistake that shouldn't have been committed. But you've only got so many officers, and this one is a 27-year veteran nearing retirement.
To all of you who say she should be fired, would you think the same thing if you were the Chief of Police and her fate was in your hands?
I'm not accosting anyone for your opinions. But like NDs, it is easy for us to sit on the interwarb and post stuff without truly being introspective.
It seems to me that termination in this case is not warranted. She should be punished, but not terminated. JMO.
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