DOJ "smart gun" review

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It's a low probability issue with a high cost for the individual.

Actually, according to the study linked in the original post, one in eight officers shot in the line of duty is shot with a weapon taken off an officer (themselves or another officer). It's a statistically significant issue for law enforcement, and I'm sure it is for people in a similar role to law enforcement (private security, armed teachers where school districts permit it, etc).

I hate to see people opposing the development of technology that would be beneficial in certain applications simply because they don't want it legally mandated for all applications.
 
I'd trust bracelet/ring-activated "smart guns" FAR more than biometrically-activated ones.
Anything that depends on RFID or a low-power transmitter is trivially easy to remotely jam if you know the frequency band it operates on, IMO.
 
I hate to see people opposing the development of technology that would be beneficial in certain applications simply because they don't want it legally mandated for all applications.

I agree. The engineering issue of designing reliable technology is separate from the political issue of whether the technology should be mandatory.

I also agree that every major firearm manufacturer is working on this technology. They have to in order to mitigate the risk of the technology being mandated. They are just keeping that development quiet for fear of a backlash from the NRA and gun owners.
 
I agree. The engineering issue of designing reliable technology is separate from the political issue of whether the technology should be mandatory.

I also agree that every major firearm manufacturer is working on this technology. They have to in order to mitigate the risk of the technology being mandated. They are just keeping that development quiet for fear of a backlash from the NRA and gun owners.

Sort of like a stealth bomber. I saw one in flight before I ever knew they existed. I know a few things about military aircraft and I thought it was an alien ship. :eek:
 
So what are they going to do about the hundreds of millions of "dumb guns" out there?
The black market will thrive with 'dumb guns'. In most states, most guns aren't registered, and consider in the overwhelming amount of noncompliance going on in CT and NY, I see that and more in traditionally pro gun states. Even blue states like Michigan are heavily pro gun (despite the pistol registry). Lots of lakes around for tragic boating accidents for all those long guns.

Killing off transferring weapons after death is impossible without universal back ground checks and universal registration. And even those are impossible to attain universal enforcement.

So yeah, the black market 'dumb gun' industry will be a boomin'.
 
Actually, according to the study linked in the original post, one in eight officers shot in the line of duty is shot with a weapon taken off an officer (themselves or another officer).

That is because officers are known possessors of high quality firearms, and targets for those who not only have authority problems, but see them as an easy source for a gun. Officers also live in a world where almost daily confrontations exist, their frequency rate of violent encounters is stratopheric compared to the average citizen. That results in adrenaline addiction and their short life spans. Many pass away before age 60, same as NFL linemen.

Because officers are targets, more of them carry secure holsters to prevent gun grabs, and they get a lot more training in that area, plus carry close quarters backups to add more redundancy.

Expanding smart gun technology to the public, tho, is an exercise in controlling the citizens ability to carry a working firearm. If the smart gun is always disabled within a 50 meter radius of a police officer wearing a transmitter to disable it, their level of safety goes up. They can respond without as much worry there are ANY working firearms within eyesight. Entry team searches would be much less problematic if the citizens inside can't shoot back.

Long run, we become disarmed and can't resist other depradations on our Constitutional Rights. It's just another prong in the Administration's efforts to make gun law where none existed. It consumes more resources in fighting it, like a two front war, and that creates better odds any other measure does slip thru. It's domestic swarm terrorism against the citizens. BTW - when the opposition labels us with a epithet like "domestic terrorist," it's usually because they are actually DOING it. That's why it comes to their lips so easily.

So, Harry Reid, who would be "in the know" about the Administration's campaign against guns, is actually telling us how it's going to work. Create a lot of incidents and blanket us with little assaults on our rights to keep it in the headlines, all the while pointing the finger at gun owners as the cause.

Let NO crisis go to waste.

Guns that can be used against officers and their legal owners are now an evil problem that must be fixed. Much like cars that can't brake themselves because the driver is too distracted to pay attention to the road. The machine isn't really the problem, but inventing mechanical morality for them makes it seem as if somebody is fixing the problem.

What fixes the problem is fixing the operator, which isn't seen as a long term solution when the government doesn't want any at all. Invent gizmos, don't suggest training as the answer.
 
Remember, this is a ticking time bomb for the Dark and Fascist State of New Jersey, which has had a "smart gun" law on the books for over a decade. This legislation provides that when the AG makes a finding that a smart hand gun is available for sale, (defined as blah blah blah) that only smart guns may be sold or transferred.

I'll give the DOJ document a scan, but I'll bet they haven't gotten much farther down the road than the study NJ did shortly after the legislation passed.
 
Police officers being shot with their own guns is a problem. If technology can be invented to prevent that from occurring I am all for it as long as the officers are supportive of the technology.

Remember, this is a ticking time bomb for the Dark and Fascist State of New Jersey, which has had a "smart gun" law on the books for over a decade.
Not to sound callous but this isn't my problem nor the rest of the country's. I don't see why technological development should be held back just because New Jersey politicians were stupid enough to make that technology mandatory before it was invented. If the people of New Jersey have a problem with New Jersey's smart gun requirement they should take it up with their legislature.
 
Police officers being shot with their own guns is a problem. If technology can be invented to prevent that from occurring I am all for it as long as the officers are supportive of the technology.


Not to sound callous but this isn't my problem nor the rest of the country's. I don't see why technological development should be held back just because New Jersey politicians were stupid enough to make that technology mandatory before it was invented. If the people of New Jersey have a problem with New Jersey's smart gun requirement they should take it up with their legislature.
Most of us have no doubt in our minds that once this technology 'advancement' becomes somewhat viable MANY politicians (yes, one day perhaps even it will affect you!) will be trying to get this technology mandatory 'for our own safety' of course.

I'm sure the majority of officers in big cities (where crime is the worst) would be supportive of having a device that automatically deactivates any firearm but theirs within a 100 yard radius for their safety as well, doesn't mean the rest of us will support or allow it.
 
Actually, according to the study linked in the original post, one in eight officers shot in the line of duty is shot with a weapon taken off an officer (themselves or another officer). It's a statistically significant issue for law enforcement, and I'm sure it is for people in a similar role to law enforcement (private security, armed teachers where school districts permit it, etc).

I hate to see people opposing the development of technology that would be beneficial in certain applications simply because they don't want it legally mandated for all applications.
Then get ready for mandated retrofitting of YOUR guns, because that is exactly where the government will go if the police are using this technology. If it is cost prohibitive, and it may be, you'll have to turn them in, and maybe get a discount voucher for a new smart gun. When the gun fails due to a tech glitch, tough luck, you probably shouldn't have a gun anyway.

How about better training for police to keep their guns from getting taken by criminals? How about more range time, and gun scenario training for police in general? Instead of buying expensive toys, and hiring MORE officers, let's get the existing ones better trained.
 
The police won't be using this technology. The NJ law specifically exempts police guns from the 'smart gun' requirement.
 
Not to sound callous but this isn't my problem nor the rest of the country's. I don't see why technological development should be held back just because New Jersey politicians were stupid enough to make that technology mandatory before it was invented. If the people of New Jersey have a problem with New Jersey's smart gun requirement they should take it up with their legislature.

Technology is research and development. Research is ongoing no matter what. Development may be delayed or never happen depending on the need. The reason NJ put it into law is they are hoping it will spur some interest and the product will be developed. Sort of a ready made market for a company to actually build a smart gun. The military does it all the time with whole weapons systems worth millions of dollars and contracts to companies that can produce what they want. NJ is coming up short though because they aren't willing to buy the weapon or initiate a RfP. Someone has to pay for it and I don't ever see tax dollars being spent to buy smart guns. Of course DOD could do that but they are cutting back. We have the AR-15 because of the DOD.

I don't think we have to worry about smart guns unless the DOD decides they need them.
 
Most of us have no doubt in our minds that once this technology 'advancement' becomes somewhat viable MANY politicians (yes, one day perhaps even it will affect you!) will be trying to get this technology mandatory 'for our own safety' of course.

I have no doubt that some politicians would be interested in making smart gun technology mandatory if a viable technology was invented. I also have no doubt that such a proposal would go no where on the Federal level but might pass in a few states. Again that is a political issue and no reason not to work on the technology.

I find it interesting that gun owners are using the same logic as those that want to ban certain types of guns: I don't see a reason for this technology + It may be misused by some people = No one should have access to this technology.
 
I think there is no problem with working on the technology in the event it is useful to some. As I understand it, the technology is good for protecting police during an activity or citizen during an activity in the event the perps gain access.

HOWEVER, the politicians need to realize that the current technology--with the possible exception of Armatix--does not prevent use of the firearms after theft or by curious adolescents. They shouid not be saddling responsible people with mandatory technology that is useless in their situations.
 
After reading about all the "smart" technologies and devices, I think too many "intelligent" researchers are now too stupid to remember what "smart" really means.

Like the cavalry soldier in Silverado said, "I once had a women kiss me that way...didn't make her my wife." Just because they call it "smart"...doesn't mean it is.
 
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