Don't Bring a .25 to a Gunfight

[yongxingfreesty]

i like your reasoning!

.45acp all the way!! WOOHOO!

 

[MICHAEL T]

He had two gunshot wounds to the chest, two around his liver, one in the neck and two in one of his arms, Treviño said.

He was listed Thursday in fair condition.


He wan't hit in Liver It does appear the 25 did the job If shooter telling truth and he fired in SD the 25 worked He not hurt and BG lost interest in the fight. Remember we shoot to stop the attack Seems like the 25 did that. Many on these boards have carried or still carry a 25 at times.

 

[dao]

The .45ACP is a whimpy caliber !
I have seen myself a guy shot 5 times with .45FMJ : a was still alive, conscient , and would have been able to use a gun ( if he had one ).



Remember, guys :

first rule of gunfight : have a gun ( a .25 is better than nothing )
first factor of stopping power : shot placement.

 

[RobertFBurnett]

Years ago...I think on 20/20 there was a story of an undercover cop shot 8 times in the face with a .25 and still managed to fight the shooter until backup arrived.

That being said lets not forget 1 old 0311:

Had a friend that was killed with one shot to the head with a .25 during a robbery.

All rounds are lethal No matter the caliber, but be prepared to cold cock your adversary in the head with your empty gun... and then throw it at them, its a gun fight.

My Buck-0-5

RFB

 

[theotherwaldo]

Last time I checked, most firearm killings in the USA were done with .22s. It's just that the person in question usually didn't die until some time later.

Not something you want to see when you are defending home and hearth.

 

[Gunnerpalace]

The reasoning behind carrying a .25 was in the 20's is you were shot anywhere with anything there was a risk of infection and seeing as they did not have penicillin getting hit with .25 was considered life-threatening then.

 

[kanderson586]

not that .380acp is a guaranteed man killer, but I don't understand why anyone would WANT a .25 since the p3at came into existence.

 

[old_ironsights]

The perp's in ICU, so the guy's self-defense weapon worked, didn't it? One hellva lot better than being unarmed, wasn't it?

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Shootist, I once chrono'ed Aguila SuperMax from a 5" bbl 1911 .22 conversion kit. Got just over 1,300 fps!! I think it was averaging around 1310 or 1315. Not very accurate, though. Oh, and no joke, the Shooting Chrony model was called the "Master Beta". I suppose if you have a thick enough neanderthal brow ridge, you could have a 10mm bounce off your forehead! On shooting to stop the fight only - true enough - but most bad guys tend to rapidly lose interest in fighting when they have no pulse and no electrons firing in the brain, and are horizontal on the ground.

 

[icebones]

btw, where do you get those Aguila SuperMax rounds?
are they any better than stingers?

i have a beretta bobcat, so this caught my attention.

 

[mljdeckard]

A .25 may 'technically' be better than nothing, but if it was someone I REALLY cared about, I would never let them trust their life to a .25. They would get a loaner from me or help buying something better.

There are no guarantees of any kind about any caliber, brand, or load. But there are certainly better probabilities with some calibers than others. The .25 HAS to be dead last. When you shoot someone, because you are in fear of your life, and you hit them center-mass, you don't them to react by saying "OW!! That HURT!!"

 

[MechAg94]

I sat on a jury for a guy who killed a man with a .25 ACP. It may not be much but it will hurt someone.

For self defense, you are really just looking to shoot and scoot with a pocket gun anyway.

I wonder what the circumstances were since they arrested and charged the guy. Must have been questionable.

 

[romma]

I was shot through the artery in my neck and nearly bled to death with a .25... Oh, the round hit my shoulder first, it came out, then penetrated the artery, and then it lodged against my spine... I suspect I would have been dead if there was no riccochet of the shoulder...

 

[bhp9mm]

the 25 is a junk round 22 is a alot better id use a 22 anyday over 25 keep the 25 for range use 22 will kill u dead on the first shot i have seen story of people shot in the head with 25s and not even kill them

 

[scalper]

Two words....

Shot Placement

That is for sure. The back of the eye orbit is paper thin bone and the only thing separating the soft tissue of the eye from that of the brain. With a carefully chosen shot to the eye, any projectile (including a BB or pellet) could potentially kill someone. As a medical student, I have seen this part of the skull a number of times and it has always amazed me how vulnerable this part of the body really is. It truly is like a piece of cardboard protection for the brain. I use this example when illustrating to young people the inherent dangers of using airsoft plastic pellets without eye protection, so of course the same holds for ALL firearm (including .25ACP, .22LR, .17HMR) calibers.

We can talk about "manstopper" calibers all we want. Virtually all modest size projectiles that enter the central nervous system (which includes the brain ), will stop a person "dead in their tracks". So the old adage that it is about "shot placement" really rings true with me. Shooting anywhere else in the body may simply cause the individual to "bleed out" which may happen slowly (in fact, so slowly that they may be able till still attack you) or quickly, if you happen to be using a large caliber bullet.

I guess my point is that ALL projectiles (including air guns) can be deadly, but multitudes of factors come into play on whether a firearm is ideal for ones defense. This includes the accuracy of the gun, the skill of the shooter, how the shooter reacts to recoil, where the shot is placed, the mindset and behavior of the BG, the energy of the projectile (bigger is USUALLY better here), the number of shots, etc.

And finally and most importantly what gun is always available when you need it! Cause if it is big, it ain't gonna do a darn thing sitting in your gun safe.

 

[Blackbeard]

I won't rely on any caliber starting with a "2" either

.223?
.270?
20mm?

 

[searcher451]

For what it's worth, saw one of those "Cold Case Files" TV reports on A&E yesterday which detailed the death of a woman in Colorado who was shot in the chest with a .25 caliber handgun after surprising an intruder in her home. She didn't die immediately, but she did die.

 

[coloradokevin]

I'm not really surprised that this guy landed in ICU from a .25

I'm sure there are folks that have been killed with pellet guns (and drowned in their bath tubs). It isn't the idea defensive weapon, but that doesn't mean it can't seriously injure or kill you!

I've also seen people who have caught .45ACP rounds and lived.

In my not-so-humble opinion, I think that the idea of "stopping power" gets drummed up a bit too much in pistols. Lets face it, a pistol is a defensive weapon... If I KNOW I am going to a gunfight, I am bringing a rifle or shotgun along. There are lots of people I've dealt with on shootings who had been shot multiple times with handgun cartridges (sometimes to the chest cavity) and were still awake and aware... Had these folks been armed, they would still be a threat! Surely the handgun that shot them was capable of delivering a "stopping" (or killing) shot, but achieving that end can be far more difficult when compared with the same shot placement from a rifle or shotgun.

 

[theotherwaldo]

No weapon is a sure-kill.
I keep remembering Saburo Sakai, a Zero pilot who took a MG bullet through the head. Lost some lobes and one eye. He flew his damaged fighter home (over 300 miles), landed safely, and was flying again before the end of the war. Died of old age.
One tough samurai!

 

[RIATAC45]

.25 shoot out

A friend of a friend of mine (if that makes sense) was shot 7 times in the chest with a .25, in a bar fight over a girl. After the gun was empty the shooter was promptly beat to a pulp. (by the man he shot) Lucky for my buddy's friend none of the rounds penatrated the breast bone. I know it sounds far feched, but I personally saw his wounds. The man shot him at very close range, like 3" to 5" from barrel. His powder burns were worse than the gun shot wounds.

 

[makarovnik]

"Multiple severe injuries". Some around the liver? Even though he didn't die some of these wounds were pretty good hits with decent penetration. I guess this article will dispel the rumors that the .25acp will simply bounce off a man's chest.

Also I noticed the article said the man fled the scene. I thought the rumor was that if you shot someone with a .25acp it would just make them mad. I think also I read somewhere that in the U.S. more people have been killed with the .25acp than any other caliber (civilian shootings that is).

The .25acp is just as good or better than a .22LR out of a 2" barrel.

It's not the best caliber but it can get the job done with decent shot placement. Stun them with the .25 acp then finish them off with a few good kicks in the groin. When they are down, kick them in the head until unconscious.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Right, 5 of 7 shots hit vital areas, but simply failed to do the job.

Don't Bring a .25 to a Gunfight

Not a gunfight, but a shooting. In a gunfight, combatants on each side are shooters.

 

[Phil DeGraves]

Use the .25 for suppressive fire so that you can move to a position to get the good shot with your primary...

 

[theotherwaldo]

Any gun is better than no gun, but a .25 is next to no gun.

 

[mgregg85]

A big hole in the end of your gun is no guarantee. We had a teenage girl that got shot FOUR times in front of a high school with a .44(magnum or special, unsure of which) and she not only lived, but didn't lose her unborn child. This was at point blank range.

I'm thinking it was a .44 special because after firing the four rounds, the guy turned the gun on himself. Maybe a charter bulldog?