True, and I used to do that, but since I use my bolt guns for hunting and potential protection from large furry things, I went to the habit of running the bolt sharply and ignoring the brass no matter what I was doing, just to establish it as a habit. I'd rather lose a few brass than be fiddling around with brass when hunting or having a bear coming in. We tend to do under stress as we do when practicing. When I know for sure I'm not going to shoot a deer or elk again, or whatever has my attention for the moment is done, I'll start looking for brass, if I even remember.
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True, and I used to do that, but since I use my bolt guns for hunting and potential protection from large furry things, I went to the habit of running the bolt sharply and ignoring the brass no matter what I was doing, just to establish it as a habit. I'd rather lose a few brass than be fiddling around with brass when hunting or having a bear coming in. We tend to do under stress as we do when practicing. When I know for sure I'm not going to shoot a deer or elk again, or whatever has my attention for the moment is done, I'll start looking for brass, if I even remember.
An excellent point/reminder.
Most of us have probably heard or read about the police officers in the past who were found, killed on duty, with empty brass from their revolvers in their pockets, because that was what they did at the range...dump spent cases into their hands and place them in the their pockets, to avoid range/brass cleanup later
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I've been thinking that lately myself. There are some guns I wish I hadn't sold now and I tend to be a lot less impulsive and a lot more logical about my purchases. Anything I lose interest in from now on will probably get greased and put in storage for the day when my tastes change again.
76shuvlinoff
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Of course I get much more enjoyment out of plinking with the 56 39A I inherited from Dad than I do with my 6920, but then those guns both "do it" for me for completely different reasons.
Sorry to jump in like this, but I was browsing the web and came across thisCount me as another that never has had an interest in owning AR's.........or even AK's for that matter. That being said, I'm certainly NOT a "fudd" whom looks down upon them. They are terrific for those that like (& love) them. They're just not my thing. I'm more into WW2 type semi auto rifles.
Now, the Stoner 63 is another story all together! I'd love to be able to own one of those. I do not even think they've EVER been available to the public. (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) Strictly military and I think the Navy SEALS still use them.......and of course being select fire means NFA. The Stoner is a true "assault rifle". It can take a 150 rd drum........or.....can be set up for belt feed. While I have NO practical use for a Stoner......I still wish I could have one.
While it slightly resembles an AR......it is a much better looking weapon IMHO.
......and oh, I almost forgot. Mack Bolans' weapon of choice! Yes. Guess I've read too many Mack Bolan novels...
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lobo9er
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sweet thats a steal 
Inebriated
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I didn't care for AR's for a long time, but I've been coming around lately. Giving myself a buffer for a Stag M2 or a Colt LE6920.
boricua9mm
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Not with ARs, but with AKs! I tried three times to learn to love the AK. I once did up an AK with top quality kit and while it was an awesome AK, it was still an AK...a rifle that would get fed crappy ammo 99.9% of the time (due to the market for 7.62x39) and turn in the typical 4-6 MOA 10-shot groups. I sold it, decided I was more of AR guy and never looked back.
Since then I've owned lots of military pattern firearms...the ARs, AUGs, SIGs, HKs, M1As, etc. If I had to abandon the house and grab one rifle, it would be a lightweight AR with a sling, a red dot and a good white light. It's everything a defensive carbine should be, and there is a reason why (after wasting millions of dollars) Uncle Sam hasn't yet chosen any sort of replacement. In fact, it is likely that they will not until another caliber steps up and outshines the 5.56 NATO as a general use cartridge.
I've kept an M1A, a Steyr AUG and an MP5 for fun and *special needs* situations, but there's always been 2-3 ARs in the bunch. Strictly talking semi-autos here, pound for pound, a good properly built AR leaves them all in the dust. Other designs are cool, neat, nostalgic and offer more heavy fodder, but they come at a huge penalty of weight, cost and sustainability. The SCAR series seems to be the closest design to unseat the AR, but look at Uncle Sam's experience...the SCAR-L wasn't found to offer enough benefits to justify the financial and logistical sacrifices. The SCAR-H is another story, but it does something no other 7.62 NATO gun does...it offers its horsepower in a very lightweight package! Lots of folks hem and haw about weight discussions, and I suppose it isn't a concern when one only carries it from the car to the firing line. Hoofing one for 10 miles+ is another matter altogether.
A wet AR will run and run. I lubed one of my ARs with Mobil 1 and didn't clean it for 1,000 rounds. I kept it wet and it never got sluggish and never showed any signs of pending malfunctions. It smelled horrible, so I broke down and cleaned it. I have no doubts it could have gone another 2,000 without cleaning it. I think the issue of carbon in the AR is widely misunderstood, and we can thank Drill Instructors and Firearms Trainers across the country for the misinformation that continues to spread.
Some people just don't get it and think the AR is just a bullet hose because that's how they see a 19 year old treating it at the range. That's about as silly as thinking that lever actions are only for cowboys and cattle ranchers.
When non-gun people ask why I own these kinds of rifles, I tell them it's because they are the SUVs of the gun world. One thing's for certain; I've never let anybody shoot one that didn't hand it back to me with a huge smile on their face.
Since then I've owned lots of military pattern firearms...the ARs, AUGs, SIGs, HKs, M1As, etc. If I had to abandon the house and grab one rifle, it would be a lightweight AR with a sling, a red dot and a good white light. It's everything a defensive carbine should be, and there is a reason why (after wasting millions of dollars) Uncle Sam hasn't yet chosen any sort of replacement. In fact, it is likely that they will not until another caliber steps up and outshines the 5.56 NATO as a general use cartridge.
I've kept an M1A, a Steyr AUG and an MP5 for fun and *special needs* situations, but there's always been 2-3 ARs in the bunch. Strictly talking semi-autos here, pound for pound, a good properly built AR leaves them all in the dust. Other designs are cool, neat, nostalgic and offer more heavy fodder, but they come at a huge penalty of weight, cost and sustainability. The SCAR series seems to be the closest design to unseat the AR, but look at Uncle Sam's experience...the SCAR-L wasn't found to offer enough benefits to justify the financial and logistical sacrifices. The SCAR-H is another story, but it does something no other 7.62 NATO gun does...it offers its horsepower in a very lightweight package! Lots of folks hem and haw about weight discussions, and I suppose it isn't a concern when one only carries it from the car to the firing line. Hoofing one for 10 miles+ is another matter altogether.
A wet AR will run and run. I lubed one of my ARs with Mobil 1 and didn't clean it for 1,000 rounds. I kept it wet and it never got sluggish and never showed any signs of pending malfunctions. It smelled horrible, so I broke down and cleaned it. I have no doubts it could have gone another 2,000 without cleaning it. I think the issue of carbon in the AR is widely misunderstood, and we can thank Drill Instructors and Firearms Trainers across the country for the misinformation that continues to spread.
Some people just don't get it and think the AR is just a bullet hose because that's how they see a 19 year old treating it at the range. That's about as silly as thinking that lever actions are only for cowboys and cattle ranchers.
When non-gun people ask why I own these kinds of rifles, I tell them it's because they are the SUVs of the gun world. One thing's for certain; I've never let anybody shoot one that didn't hand it back to me with a huge smile on their face.
I like my AR, I built it myself. The pistol grip, the magwell grrip, the butt stock are the ones that I had on my m4 in Afghanistan. I shoot it often and it reminds me of the time I spent in the service. That being said I prefer the way my winchester 94 looks, shoots and feels...like I said, I like MY ar.
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I went through a long phase of traditional guns. I was hand loading for 17 different calibers, and the collection included things like T/C Contenders, single action Rugers, bolt action Winchesters and a Ruger No. 1 in 7x57.
Things happened, and I was without guns for some time.
Coming back, I realized that if I want to roam in the back country, I absolutely have to be prepared to deal with the lunatics I meet out there.
This time around, it's Glock pistols, because NOTHING is or can be more reliable. The first long arm this time was a Yugo underfolder AK. I was concerned about the AK's lack of long range accuracy, so I bought an ArmaLite 20" HBAR. That one maintains 1 MOA out to 300 yards, and with the Streamlight TLR-1 HP mounted, I can see targets out to a bit over 200 yards in total darkness.
NONE of my current firearms "mean" anything to me. Each is the material response to a perceived need.
This whole argument about the cost of feeding an AR is just weird to me. You *can* abuse it, knowing that you're burning the throat out and stupidly throwing bullets all over the place, just the same as knowing that you *can* abuse your car, and turn it to garbage in short order.
I've fired groups with this AR running "pretty fast", just to see how the accuracy holds out as the barrel heats up. In doing that, the purpose was to see how fast I can maintain accurate fire for a reasonable time, without taking my attention away from placing shots. This is the advantage that you gain with semi-auto, and there is no other way.
Proper maintenance does NOT take much time. I use Mobile 1 for lube. It really and truly does adhere to the metal, underneath the crud, so wiping down is very easy. It takes longer to clean one of my 10/.22 actions than it does to clean the AR. The claim that it throws brass all over the place is WRONG. If you have correctly purchased a quality rifle to begin with, or built it right, the brass goes in a very neat little pile about 8 to 10 feet from your shooting position, at just about the 4 to 5 o'clock position.
The AR design is a bit more complex than some others, but it is robust complexity that is intelligently applied, with demonstrable advantages in accuracy, reliability, and longevity.
The AR doesn't "turn me on" in any way, and I consider it a character fault in myself if I let emotional preference interfere with intelligent decision making.
Things happened, and I was without guns for some time.
Coming back, I realized that if I want to roam in the back country, I absolutely have to be prepared to deal with the lunatics I meet out there.
This time around, it's Glock pistols, because NOTHING is or can be more reliable. The first long arm this time was a Yugo underfolder AK. I was concerned about the AK's lack of long range accuracy, so I bought an ArmaLite 20" HBAR. That one maintains 1 MOA out to 300 yards, and with the Streamlight TLR-1 HP mounted, I can see targets out to a bit over 200 yards in total darkness.
NONE of my current firearms "mean" anything to me. Each is the material response to a perceived need.
This whole argument about the cost of feeding an AR is just weird to me. You *can* abuse it, knowing that you're burning the throat out and stupidly throwing bullets all over the place, just the same as knowing that you *can* abuse your car, and turn it to garbage in short order.
I've fired groups with this AR running "pretty fast", just to see how the accuracy holds out as the barrel heats up. In doing that, the purpose was to see how fast I can maintain accurate fire for a reasonable time, without taking my attention away from placing shots. This is the advantage that you gain with semi-auto, and there is no other way.
Proper maintenance does NOT take much time. I use Mobile 1 for lube. It really and truly does adhere to the metal, underneath the crud, so wiping down is very easy. It takes longer to clean one of my 10/.22 actions than it does to clean the AR. The claim that it throws brass all over the place is WRONG. If you have correctly purchased a quality rifle to begin with, or built it right, the brass goes in a very neat little pile about 8 to 10 feet from your shooting position, at just about the 4 to 5 o'clock position.
The AR design is a bit more complex than some others, but it is robust complexity that is intelligently applied, with demonstrable advantages in accuracy, reliability, and longevity.
The AR doesn't "turn me on" in any way, and I consider it a character fault in myself if I let emotional preference interfere with intelligent decision making.
Jason_W
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For me it's an issue of cost vs. need. For the price of an AR, I can buy a quality bolt or lever and have enough left over for a scope and some ammo. That bolt or lever package will fill every shooting need I'm likely to have.
justice06rr
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No matter how people deny it, the AR is the most popular firearm in America. Of course its not for everyone
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I wasn't really interested in one until I might not be able to have one. I built one and now I'm hooked. I love the way you can fiddle with them an swap stuff out. Some guys liked to work on cars. I like the accessibility of working on an AR. I bet that is one of the draws for a lot of people.
And no other gun has made my wife say "Uh, can I get one of those." That sealed the deal for me.
And no other gun has made my wife say "Uh, can I get one of those." That sealed the deal for me.
thump_rrr
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I don't usually buy spur of the moment. It may take me several hours to decide to buy a rifle or pistol.
I am also of small stature with small hands so the controls on some pistols are difficult to operate efficiently.
Once I buy a rifle or pistol it goes into the safe and will never be sold till they pry it out of my cold dead hands.
There would be exceptions such as responsibilities to my family but I can't see that happening.
If your worry is affording to shoot your firearms then maybe reloading would be another solution.
Maybe a second job which will leave you with more disposable income.
I am also of small stature with small hands so the controls on some pistols are difficult to operate efficiently.
Once I buy a rifle or pistol it goes into the safe and will never be sold till they pry it out of my cold dead hands.
There would be exceptions such as responsibilities to my family but I can't see that happening.
If your worry is affording to shoot your firearms then maybe reloading would be another solution.
Maybe a second job which will leave you with more disposable income.
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So do you need to get a piston kit to avoid the buildup of direct-impingement exhaust or is it just not an issue?
Absolutely, positively NO, you do not.
In fact, I think that for 99.9% of shooters there isn't even a significant benefit to a piston vs the standard DI.
The latter part of your sentence is accurate...."it is just not an issue"
RPRNY
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I think you will find that by volume that title belongs overwhelmingly to lever guns, and specifically those chambered in 30-30. [Sarcasm] No disrespect intended for the younger generation's fascination with leggo-guns for poodle shooting, just providing a fact check [/sarcasm]
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I think you will find that by volume that title belongs overwhelmingly to lever guns, and specifically those chambered in 30-30. [Sarcasm] No disrespect intended for the younger generation's fascination with leggo-guns for poodle shooting, just providing a fact check [/sarcasm]
The AR15 type rifle has, by any accoutns I have seen, been the best selling rifle type in the country for years.
And I'll bet there are 10/22's out there than .30-30 lever guns.
bubba15301
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never liked the ar,but i had a Daewoo dr200 i should have never sold imho a better design all the way around. took the best of the ar and ak
LOL[Sarcasm] No disrespect intended for the younger generation's fascination with leggo-guns for poodle shooting, just providing a fact check [/sarcasm]
Homerboy
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The M4 use by the military and video games is a HUGE reason for the AR's popularity. I once took my nephew shooting with my ruger 10/22. he wanted nothing to do with it. Asked me why I don't have an AR in .22. Why is there such a huge market for Aimpoint and Eotech clones? So people can feel like some Navy SEAL.
As for "a pack of people trying to break into your home armed with pistols", sure that COULD happen. Although unlikely. What I DO know is that once you fire ONE shot, they're going to scatter like roaches.
I have an AR. I like it. But I have fired it 300 times in the last 5 years. I know because I still have 700 rounds left from the case I bought with it. I just sent away for an M1 Garand from the CMP. When it comes, I will probably sell my AR. I ALMOST sold it after Newtown, but as a parent, I just couldn't profit from that massacre.
As for "a pack of people trying to break into your home armed with pistols", sure that COULD happen. Although unlikely. What I DO know is that once you fire ONE shot, they're going to scatter like roaches.
I have an AR. I like it. But I have fired it 300 times in the last 5 years. I know because I still have 700 rounds left from the case I bought with it. I just sent away for an M1 Garand from the CMP. When it comes, I will probably sell my AR. I ALMOST sold it after Newtown, but as a parent, I just couldn't profit from that massacre.
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It is important not to confuse "fastest growing segment" with total market share. Happily, there are no hard numbers to go by, but taking the total number of firearms in civilian hands at 320 million, estimates on the total number of AR 15s in the market from an anti-gun media outlet (I know, redundant) that wants to portray that number high, we'll go with 2 million. http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/20...many_assault_rifles_are_there_in_america.html
Do you really imagine there are fewer than 2 million 30-30 lever guns out there?
In any event, you are undoubtedly right that 22 rimfire is the most popular caliber, although I doubt very much that there are more 10/22s than 30-30 lever guns either. The latter has been in continuous production by most domestic and several foreign manufacturers for over 100 years. The former, made by one company for mere decades. I shoot four rifles regularly that are over 100 years old, only one of which is a lever gun.
Just think how many M1 Garands have been released by the CMP over the last fifty years, or Springfield 03s. There are more rifles chambered in 30-06 out there than there are chambered in 5.56/.223The AR15 holds no interest for me. I can however completely understand how it does so for many, many others. I'm not bashing, just isn't my thing.
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It is important not to confuse "fastest growing segment" with total market share. Happily, there are no hard numbers to go by, but taking the total number of firearms in civilian hands at 320 million, estimates on the total number of AR 15s in the market from an anti-gun media outlet (I know, redundant) that wants to portray that number high, we'll go with 2 million. http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/20...many_assault_rifles_are_there_in_america.html
Do you really imagine there are fewer than 2 million 30-30 lever guns out there?
In any event, you are undoubtedly right that 22 rimfire is the most popular caliber, although I doubt very much that there are more 10/22s than 30-30 lever guns either. The latter has been in continuous production by most domestic and several foreign manufacturers for over 100 years. The former, made by one company for mere decades. I shoot four rifles regularly that are over 100 years old, only one of which is a lever gun.
The AR15 holds no interest for me. I can however completely understand how it does so for many, many others. I'm not bashing, just isn't my thing.
THR had a long thread on this topic not that long ago. The cliff note version is that it is contended, but there are a LOT of AR rifles out there, and perspectives differ on the numbers of various types or rifles.
I know what I read about, what I see on store shelves, what people I talk to IRL and online own, and what rifles I see on the line at indoor ranges, outdoor ranges ('shooters' ranges and DNR type ranges), on the line at Appleseeds, etc.
And there are a butt-load of AR15's out there.
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