Don't leave home without it...

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Medgirl's thread just got me thinking...

10 years ago, we wouldn't even have twitched... But today, if I leave the house, and I realize I don't have the cell before I hit the highway, I'm turning around...

BTW, the shotty's in the truck all the time...

These cell phone things have become a serious leash... It'd be nice to get folks to think the same way about concealed carry...

"How can you carry that everywhere?"

"Do you leave home without your cell phone?"
 
That time has come and gone. At least as far as gun ownership is concerned. I would bet that from 1776-1900 at least 90%(probably more) of American families had at least one firearm. In a way, the cell phone has probably helped make firearm ownership less appealing. People have learned to rely on Big Brother for everything. In the past, calling the police might have taken an entire day. Now you can be on the phone to them minutes after an encounter with BGs. This makes people believe that the police will always be a moment away to fix all their problems. We of course know this is false, but the idea is still there with the rest of America. Instant communication means not having to rely on yourself for anything really.
 
I like to keep my cell phone on me in case of breakdown. It's generally turned off because I can't answer it while on the motorcycle (My main conveyance!). There is gun on me somewhere, let the BG's figure it out! :evil:
 
I feel weird when I leave without my cell phone and think "Dang, I hope I don't need it". Yesterday I left for work unarmed and I thought "Dang I REALLY hope I don't need it". I Feel naked without.
 
Yeah, stuff we carry . . .

I carry a pen. Always. Everywhere. Have for decades. First ballpoints, then a fountain pen, then Fisher Space Pens. I always have at least one on me.

Several years ago I carried a day planner. Always. Everywhere. Until the Palm Pilot clones became affordable. Now I have a PDA. Always. Everywhere.

As cell phones became more portable and more affordable, I finally crossed that threshold nearly ten years ago. Now I carry a cell phone. Always. Everywhere.

I don't wake up and wonder IF this would be a good day to carry. Morning inventory: phone (check), PDA (check), wallet (check), badge (check), pens (check), pocket knife (check), am I wearing clothes (check).

I don't even consciously think of most of them, I just kind of do a morning pat-down.

One of these days there will be one more item in the morning pat-down.

Always. Everywhere.
 
Cell phones are dependant on cell towers and geography. In my neighborhood with few towers and many mountains they don't work.Response time in rural areas may me long.....My guns work regardless of weather, geography, time of day.Not dependant on other factors [towers etc] .Response time is measured in a few seconds !!!
 
I don't go anywhere without my gun and I go everywhere with a cell phone. A cell phone can be quite a useful tool and sometimes more useful than a gun.

i.g. In Venezuela, when my car broke down in the middle of night on a highway way too close to a slum for comfort. Got out of my car with my gun in hand and the other hand on a cellphone to call my friend to come help me out.

Yes, I could have defended myself with my gun if I were attacked. But I would have been stuck there all night and increased the chances of getting robbed or killed. So in that occasion my cell was more useful.
 
I've known some of the older generations to go on about how in their day, they didn't need things like mobile phones, they just used phone books and a pay phone. That was fine back then, but these days, people expect to be able to reach you at any given time. If you are a contractor, out on an important job for your company, the head honcho at your company is not going to be satisfied with waiting for you to get to a phone booth to keep him updated.

It's a different age altogether, and mobile phones are very important.
 
Hmm. Let's see.

If the question is cell phone v. gun,
I'll take gun, hands down; no contest; period.
(In order: 870, .30-30, 9, .38, .22).

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"Cell phone with nail."
Now, an art piece.
{It's like "Still life with fruit. Get it?
Look closely for the nail.
It was my first & last cell.}

Oh, wait, am I being ambiguous?
Let me be more clear:
I hate cell phones.
Cell phones disgust me.
People who answer them
during conversations piss me off.
Don't waste my time waiting for you. Let call waiting get it.
What ever happened to uninterrupted face-to-face conversations?
(Rhetorical question; technology made them "obsolete".)

People who use cells while driving disgust me.
Get a clue, Jethro: just drive & let the messaging service get it.
Some one else's life isn't worth your ******* call.
:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:

Awe, shucks.
You mean w/o a cell phone
I could be stranded w/o help and die?
Oh, well. Life was good.

Pardon my vitriol.
To each their own.
YMMV.

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Cell phones disgust me.
People who answer them
during conversations piss me off.
Don't waste my time waiting for you. Let call waiting get it.
What ever happened to uninterrupted face-to-face conversations?
(Rhetorical question; technology made them "obsolete".)
I've been noticing this very phenomena lately. When out with my younger brother or with friends, I am continually, unpleasantly surprised at how willing to forego a real-life conversation those afore-mentioned cell phone owners can be. I find it rude and just plain, ol' bad manners. If I'm out with someone, I'm out with that person or group and, short of an emergency or quick "hello" from someone else, intend to spend my time interacting with those whom I'm out with. I see it as simple, common courtesy. SHould I not expect the same? Put the cell phone on vibrate, look at incoming calls to guage their potential import, then put the phone back in your pocket. Is that too much to ask?

Ok, my piggy-back rant is off :)
 
I'VE GOT IT!!!! What we really need is a "cellgun"! It'll be an autoloader with the keypad in left grip (right grip for the lefties). Earpiece in the lower grip and the microphone in the end of the barrel. When you connect to the other party, the gun is automatically on safety so you don't shoot your lip off. When you have to shoot a BG the phone automatically dials 911! :what:


Well, it sounded good in theory!:D
 
Cellgun?

I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time picturing that . . .

Oh, you mean:
 

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Concealed carry is now legal in more places than it was 10 years ago and it's now the main topic in the gun media,seems to me that carrying has possibly never been more popular outside of the frontier era;leaving aside of course the real facts that many towns in the "Wild West" in fact did prohibit anyone from carrying.Of course everyone has a story about how their grandpa always has a .38 in his belt but even when I started shooting 25 years ago,I didn't know many people at all that CCW'ed.Maybe I'm wrong and everyone really was doing it but never talked about it,I'm sure I'll get a yes with a wink for a reply to that but I have my doubts.
 
I do not own a cell phone, and quite frankly do not want one.

Yes I do understand these are useful tools, in fact I suggested my mom and other other older persons get one, in case of an emergency, such as car trouble or when she is out with others of her age and a medical situation should arise.

Yes, I have carried one, both an in-house phone when I worked in a hospital, regular cell phone when on call, or, someone loaned me one for various things going on.

There are some fussing at me to at least get a TracPhone, for emergency use. I honestly keep putting it off on purpose.

Cell phone is just another tool in the toolbox - not the only tool in the toolbox.
Just like firearms are.

I have rarely dialed 911, I dial LEO direct. I am a product of the times of and how raised. My nature is being one that does not like being tethered, I don't meddle, and therefore do not want to be meddled with. I try to use manners,and be respectful -be this in personal or business settings.

We did not have our own phone line, we shared a phone line that was called a "party line".
No 911 back then. We were self reliant, we had to be, no telling when the Police, or Sheriff, or State Police would show up, we called direct.
We knew our neighbors, we pitched in and did what had to be done.
We communicated with each other before we left the house, had schedules that we had, and kept. One did what they had to do and did not dilly-dally / willy- nilly around.

If going to go to market, get shoes for a kid and due back at noon, you were back at noon. If you were not, you had called a neighbor, work, whatever and said the tire had a flat, put you a little late, and would be in by 1pm.

Pay phones. Every person from a child to elderly had "phone money" and knew how to use a pay phone, and knew the numbers to call.

Education and Communication. Parenting.

We were about / around 8 and found a blasting cap around a construction site downtown. Serious? Sure. Did we freak out and run like little girls with hands flaying? No.

I and another stood watch and told folks to stand back, others became part of a wide "fence" to keep folks away. One went to find the beat cop, another called, using "phone money" kept in her shoe, to call Police direct.

Beat Cop gave her a dime to replace her "phone money" and back into her tennis shoe that dime went. Fire Dept came, construction site folks came and done deal.


Common Sense, Courtesy, Respect, Moderation in everything...just some of the lessons that used to be part of the norm, that has gone totally out the window and not Parented anymore.

Cell phones, firearms and what have you - are not used in Moderation.

Folks go from one extreme to the other. From no phone/ gun to the total extreme of being obsessed that these things drive their every waking moments.

We had plain old guns we carried on person, and kept at home or business. WE knew the laws, we knew how to shoot, we knew how to take care of ourselves when we had to deal with it.

Gov't has brainwashed, and Marketing has assisted in making folks less self reliant and more dependent on Gov't and others. Personally, I refuse to be a part of this action, by NOT doing exactly what the Gov't , Marketing is wanting me to do. They can pound sand up their nose, I am going to rebel like hell.

I do not need, nor will I own, a 32# Syn Stocked Ultimate Shotgun in Coyote Brown with Team Walrus logo with a 27 round mag extension full of 4.5" ZombieBreath loads.

I gotta CCW, very simple. I was handed a simple cell phone with buttons I could see, and not in some odd off the wall pattern, and no stupid picture taking feature , to have while someone was dying, and I was taking a relative to the bank to mess with safety deposit boxes.

Hell I have done the same thing before cell phones.

Never ever ever get yourself dependent on one tool, or ideology of tool.

Folks think I am kidding, but I have had large sums of valuables, no cell phone, one handgun [bone stock K frame, or Gov't model of 1911] driven 300 miles and not had one darn problem not having a Sat phone and umpteen well armed Elite folks running with me.

Good grief, I went out to my truck to get smokes, and did not have a CCW on person. I coulda been kilt.


Not poking fun at bogie, I have too much respect for bogie, I really do.

My point is, just think, use some common sense, assess your needs and use tools for task. Tools being plural. Have a back up plan, and another.

I have seen folks totally freak out when cell signal down and never had any idea of using a pay phone, or even asking a business owner, with courtesy and all if they could borrow a phone to call someone.

I still little packets of KY akin to ketchup packets at fast food places are a great idea.

When a person asks where they can put their phone so they won't lose it...toss 'em a KY packet....
 
grumpy old man thread

I hate my cell phone.

But in reality it is a necessity with my job.

The thing I hate is the people who answer the phone while talking to you in person.:barf:

But my favorite one is call waiting. If I call you I'm important rightnow, I won the dialing race. If the other caller comes in second and the call waiting beeps and you answer it. I swear I will hang up. Often I will not call you again unless you had a viable reason (wife gonna deliver any minute) but 99.99% of callwaiting transfer are just rude.

Guns are different I never had anyone say, "hold on a minute, it's really important that I shoot that"
 
After my rant last night (dang, sometimes ya' just gotta blow off steam), it's nice to know that I'm not the only one with issues about cell phones.

I will clarify at least one point, however. It's a matter of principle for me. I try to criticize behavior instead of people, hoping that there's good in everyone, and that sometimes we act out of ignorance and not malice.

Given that, I'll change this line: "People who use cells while driving disgust me." to this:

I find cell phone use while driving to be a reprehensible and irresponsbile behavior. Studies have shown that when we use a phone - land line, cell, whatever - we tend to fix our visual field into a "stare". We're just staring straight ahead as if trying to visualize the person on the other end of the "line" instead of glancing from side to side taking in all of our surroundings.

This is why drivers using a cell phone are so dangerous: they're not really paying attention.

Doesn't matter if they're wearing a headset (that allows hands to be free) or not.

When I get calls from friends with cell phones, and it sounds like they're in a vehicle (and let's face it, one can tell), I often refuse to talk with them if they are driving (instead of in a passenger seat). I'd hate to lose a friend because of a telephone call.
 
I hate paying $50 a month for a cell phone. I don't like commuting 70 miles each way without one.

When I get calls from friends with cell phones, and it sounds like they're in a vehicle (and let's face it, one can tell), I often refuse to talk with them if they are driving (instead of in a passenger seat). I'd hate to lose a friend because of a telephone call.
Do you also never talk to the driver if you're ridinging in a car with someone? Do you let people listed to talk radio in the car? To me all this cell phones while driving stuff is just more nanny stuff of "i know better than you." Sometimes driving conditions make it unsafe, sometimes they don't. Sometimes I'm too fatigued to do both, sometimes I'm not. I'll decide though.
 
Lilliputian strings

I will take my "electronic leash" with me for far travel, or perhaps going out into the night, but for the most part, I try to live without it.
I had done so for most of my life, and like the freedom of mind that being without it gives.

The girls mentioned in the Tactics forum; "Gang Defense Strategy Q," post by kungfuhippie is confirmation of the value of the cellular phone for immediate defense.
The girl who had one in her hand would have been better off using it as a "kubotan" than summoning a rescue with it.
How about it officers; isn't the procedure to have a suspect remove a cell'phone from their hand before you approach them?

Years ago, one of the companies I worked for had wall phones installed in the bathrooms next to the commodes, so that a customer or the boss could reach the employee for conversation even in that awkward moment. The employees were so offended that they did not have a moments privacy, that a strike was threatened. It never materialized, but there was resentment over the issue. Boy, have times changed.

I have even been considering cancelling the "contraption" and living with only
Alexander Graham Bell's French handset invention in my home! Imagine that.
 
I have a very compact Smartphone. It's got all the names and addresses I'd ever need, plus things like account numbers and information. I can surf the web enough to get news, weather (and weather radar) and traffic. It is a great little device that has replace 3 or 4 bulkier things that I used to carry. It is a huge convenience for me. I'm sorry some of you guys don't like them, but I love em.
 
that when we use a phone - land line, cell, whatever - we tend to fix our visual field into a "stare". We're just staring straight ahead as if trying to visualize the person on the other end of the "line" instead of glancing from side to side taking in all of our surroundings.

This is why drivers using a cell phone are so dangerous: they're not really paying attention.
True. I, however, don't do this. I drive exactly the same way talking on a cell phone, even hand held, as without one.

So it really annoys me when someone else tries to decide for me what is or isn't safe for me to do.
 
Several years ago I carried a day planner. Always. Everywhere. Until the Palm Pilot clones became affordable. Now I have a PDA. Always. Everywhere.

As cell phones became more portable and more affordable, I finally crossed that threshold nearly ten years ago. Now I carry a cell phone. Always. Everywhere.

And many people (me included) carry one device that's both, and no bigger than a PDA. It'd be nice to have some sort of defence built into the device too, stun or spray.

however, i wouldn't want to be putting a gun to my ear to make a call, so lets keep that a distinct piece of hardware. ;)

(EDIT: Maui19 beat me to it.)
 
Soybomb said:
Do you also never talk to the driver if you're ridinging in a car with someone? Do you let people listed to talk radio in the car? To me all this cell phones while driving stuff is just more nanny stuff of "i know better than you." Sometimes driving conditions make it unsafe, sometimes they don't. Sometimes I'm too fatigued to do both, sometimes I'm not. I'll decide though.

What really makes it unsafe is people have one hand holding a phone to their ear instead of holding the wheel and generally pay more attention to the phone convesation than their driving skills. It really helps to have a hands free device to use and that is the only way I use mine while driving.
 
DZ said:
True. I, however, don't do this. I drive exactly the same way talking on a cell phone, even hand held, as without one.

So it really annoys me when someone else tries to decide for me what is or isn't safe for me to do.
So, you accept that the average person "does that", which is exactly what the studies show: they don't pay attention to driving while talking on a cell phone.

So, it's not YOU I am concerned about. It's those more average users that I worry about. If you get caught in the fray, it's because I value my life more than your cell phone use while you're driving. Don't blame me for that; blame the idiots that don't do it right. :p

Nem
 
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