entropy
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In the 70's the NYPD Stakeout Squad used SBS Ithaca 37's. I'm sure a few Ithaca Auto/Burglar SxS's were used somewhere along the line.
Double Barreled Fighting Shotguns
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"Sheriff, your scatter gun only has 2 shots, there are 10 of us."
"Yep, you get 1 barrel. Who is taking the 2nd one, to let the others at me?"
"Yep, you get 1 barrel. Who is taking the 2nd one, to let the others at me?"
MedWheeler
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I satisfied my craving for one with an inexpensive Chinese knockoff JW-2000 in 12 gauge, but I haven't fired it. It's a heavy beast, and a real workout on the pecs to open and close it.
Rubone
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I found a near perfect, possibly never fired Rossi Overland at a local shop about 8 years ago. I always wanted one in the late '70s so it came home with me. Good price too, it was a trade in and hadn't even made it out to the rack. Here it is with my Stevens 311 20ga and an LC Smith Field grade in .20 as well. It is my only 12ga SxS.
Blkhrt13
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Don’t own a defense double. But I would t object to using one as a stash piece. Leaning in the right place would make sense. I looked at an over and under double defense stoeger. But didn’t have the money for it at the time. I’ve heard good and bad about them. Seemed very compact and easy to work with inside close distances.
DeepSouth
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I don’t know why, maybe I just hate my shoulder, but I’ve always wanted at 10ga coach gun, preferably nickel, chrome, or polished stainless. If anyone makes such an item I don’t know about it.
That’s said, theirs no way I’d limit myself to 2 shots on a real defensive gun.
That’s said, theirs no way I’d limit myself to 2 shots on a real defensive gun.
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The OLD 10 ga SxS isn't a 3 1/2" chamber.
It will get your attention, but loaded with BP, it isn't a beast.
All hammerguns I've ever seen or saw in magazines have extractors. Hammerless doubles come with extractors or ejectors. Savage still makes a SxS that's fairly inexpensive.
Some of you guys need a little education in SxSs and their use.
I have at this time three old 10ga doubles, a Parker, a Remington, and a Lefever. They all have 2 7/8" chambers. [ the Parker could find a new home for 5 Franklins + shipping ].
It's quite a heavy gun with 30" thick barrels that could be a great HD weapon if the barrels were cut down or a turkey gun. Not something you want to drag around. I normal wouldn't suggest to cut down a Parker, but it's just a heavy gun without collector value. I have two more of them, a hammer 12ga and a hammerless with two sets of barrels.
All you guys worrying about having only two shots - just were do you think home defense is going to happen ? The gun is next to the bed. So the range is across the bedroom, or down the hallway. What would be better at hitting a target and stopping it, a 45 or 9MM, or a shotgun with a 8 to 12 inch pattern ? Even a poor shot of blowing a arm or leg off will give you plenty of time to reload the next two shots. You can't say that with a pistol bullet so it's not really outdated technology. I have a dozen of them and think they'd do a great job of HD.
Some of you guys need a little education in SxSs and their use.
I have at this time three old 10ga doubles, a Parker, a Remington, and a Lefever. They all have 2 7/8" chambers. [ the Parker could find a new home for 5 Franklins + shipping ].
It's quite a heavy gun with 30" thick barrels that could be a great HD weapon if the barrels were cut down or a turkey gun. Not something you want to drag around. I normal wouldn't suggest to cut down a Parker, but it's just a heavy gun without collector value. I have two more of them, a hammer 12ga and a hammerless with two sets of barrels.
All you guys worrying about having only two shots - just were do you think home defense is going to happen ? The gun is next to the bed. So the range is across the bedroom, or down the hallway. What would be better at hitting a target and stopping it, a 45 or 9MM, or a shotgun with a 8 to 12 inch pattern ? Even a poor shot of blowing a arm or leg off will give you plenty of time to reload the next two shots. You can't say that with a pistol bullet so it's not really outdated technology. I have a dozen of them and think they'd do a great job of HD.
Climb14er
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Love the Coach Guns! Served a purpose once upon a time. Same with my Browning 325 O/U. Was great for upland birds and sporting clays. NOW… with the country undergoing chaos and crime, especially here in Denver, my Mossberg 590 A1 with accu chokes, is my gun of choice. Shoot what you love, stay safe.
Gladius
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Dad carried his old Stevens double, "sawn down to the limit", as he would say, on-duty with him as a deputy sheriff (they did not provide long guns of any sort "back in the day", as it were). Even after he retired, that old double was his go-to gun when he felt his .38 or .357 weren't enough. I still have dad's old street howitzer. I've never shot it (when I want a "serious" shotgun, I've got some more modern scatterguns; besides, it doesn't look all that enjoyable to shoot with 2 3/4 12 gauge shells of any load configuration); I think I'll eventually get some minishells and see what it can do.
Smokin Gator
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At home I keep a Rossi hammer double with buckshot in the chambers. Depending on the situation you could take the time to reload but I would probably drop it and transition to my CZ75B with fully loaded mags.
Phaedrus/69
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I don't own one so obviously I won't be fighting with one unless it's a "battlefield pickup." My only shotgun is a Beretta 1301 Tactical, which should be a great fighting shotgun. But due to a catastrophic injury to my right shoulder a couple weeks after buying the Beretta I don't have nearly enough time on it to want to rely on it for defense. Until I do my defense guns will be carbines in 5.56 & .223 Wylde.
If all I had was a double, or a single shot, or a club, I'd use what I had over using my bare hands. But given the ability to choose the tools ahead of time I'd never willingly go with a two-shooter over a repeater.
If all I had was a double, or a single shot, or a club, I'd use what I had over using my bare hands. But given the ability to choose the tools ahead of time I'd never willingly go with a two-shooter over a repeater.
Gator Weiss
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The coach gun will put more lead on a target than MP5. I have carried Baikal sidexside hammerless in a squad car and on the range, pull both triggers loaded with 00, 1, and 4 buck and especially with 4s, targets are riddled immediately. The coach hammerless is a very very devastative weapon. Combined with a modern sidearm, its a good combination and has no over-penetration issues and always a one shot stop. There is nothing wrong with a full stock hammerless coach gun with a thumb-switch safety.
Jerry M
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IMHO the Winchester 1887 shotgun made double barreled shortgun obsolete for 'fighting' Then the 1897, A5, model 12, etc. etc. etc. Home defense and cowboy action shooting are not 'fighting' .
In fact the last double barreled shotgun I saw carried in police work was in 1978. Also I don't know of any major army that issued a double barreled shotguns.
Good Luck
In fact the last double barreled shotgun I saw carried in police work was in 1978. Also I don't know of any major army that issued a double barreled shotguns.
Good Luck
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This is a logical fallacy. Sure, a 12ga double can put 40 something pellets of #4 Buck on target with one shell, which means 80 pellets total, but the combat effectiveness of that from more than two individual targets is very suspect, while an MP5 has a far better combat effectiveness given it can be used to engage a squad.
Like the post above said, if doubles were really that much better than a machine gun, I'm sure military and police the world over would still be using them and they are not.
jar
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Made in 1926.
But my night time shotgun for home defense is an Aramberri 20 gauge Mod/Full SxS. It has a 26" barrel but the overall length is still manageable.
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As mentioned,
Home Defense, I wouldn't hesitate to engage with a SxS.
Police Action, combat; totally different situation. Pump or semi, with as long of extended mag tube, as practical.
Home Defense, I wouldn't hesitate to engage with a SxS.
Police Action, combat; totally different situation. Pump or semi, with as long of extended mag tube, as practical.
Side by sides are fun. I would like to have one just because.
I was issued a Parkerized 870 with a 14" barrel and tritium rifle sights...best slug-gun ever. They stopped issuing 00 buck shot and gave us 1 oz slugs only due to the limitations of the effectiveness of the 00 buck. That shotgun was perfect around cars and clearing buildings, and if you knew what you were doing, fast for follow-up shots.
I was issued a Parkerized 870 with a 14" barrel and tritium rifle sights...best slug-gun ever. They stopped issuing 00 buck shot and gave us 1 oz slugs only due to the limitations of the effectiveness of the 00 buck. That shotgun was perfect around cars and clearing buildings, and if you knew what you were doing, fast for follow-up shots.
Gator Weiss
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There is no "fallacy" and Ive been schooled on and have been issued and have carried MP5 in duty situations. I have quite a bit of time on MP5. Subguns are over-rated. My sxs can deliver 52 6mm projectiles on a target or target area nstantaneously if I want it to. MP5 cant. I have a variety of load applications for sxs. MP5 doesnt. I have fewer moving parts in a sxs than MP5, and no jam issues with sxs. MP5 over penetrates and goes through and beyond. Sxs doesnt. MP5 is OK to use. I have more options with sxs and it does what I need when I need, how I need and I have shot it enough to be well versed and comfortable with it and know both its limits and advantages. You dont know sxs beyond bird hunting. I do. Maybe youve carried MP5 at work and maybe you havent. I have done so and am an instructor on it. I like sxs. I like mp5. I like and carry AR also. I really like sxs
Charlie Martinez
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I used a Sears (Stevens 311) double 12 gauge with (F/M) 28-inch barrels for cowboy action matches. I originally intended to cut it down but it was in such good shape that I decided to leave it alone even though it slowed me down a bit. I used it in all my cowboy matches and never regretted my decision. I shoot trap with it once in a while and would no problem at all with it in a HD situation. It reminds me of "8 Gauge" in the western movie Appaloosa.
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He’s wasting time there. He could be using his right hand thumb to cock the hammer while the left hand reloads a shell. That way the gun is ready to fire immediately after closing the action. At least this may be accomplished on the H&R/NEF patterns of gun. Some singles may require the action be closed before the hammer may be cocked.
When utilizing this technique, the humble single can be a formidable weapon.
Gator Weiss
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Leave the gun in the mode you are comfortable with. Sxs is a wonderful gun with lots of history and lots of optiond
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