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In the 70's the NYPD Stakeout Squad used SBS Ithaca 37's. I'm sure a few Ithaca Auto/Burglar SxS's were used somewhere along the line.
I don’t know why, maybe I just hate my shoulder, but I’ve always wanted at 10ga coach gun, preferably nickel, chrome, or polished stainless. If anyone makes such an item I don’t know about it.
That’s said, theirs no way I’d limit myself to 2 shots on a real defensive gun.
This is a logical fallacy. Sure, a 12ga double can put 40 something pellets of #4 Buck on target with one shell, which means 80 pellets total, but the combat effectiveness of that from more than two individual targets is very suspect, while an MP5 has a far better combat effectiveness given it can be used to engage a squad.The coach gun will put more lead on a target than MP5. I have carried Baikal sidexside hammerless in a squad car and on the range, pull both triggers loaded with 00, 1, and 4 buck and especially with 4s, targets are riddled immediately. The coach hammerless is a very very devastative weapon. Combined with a modern sidearm, its a good combination and has no over-penetration issues and always a one shot stop. There is nothing wrong with a full stock hammerless coach gun with a thumb-switch safety.
For maybe two decades I collected double barreled shotguns. The shotgun I keep for home defense is a 12 gauge Winchester Model 12. I am looking to replace that with a 20 gauge Winchester Model 12.
Kevin
There is no "fallacy" and Ive been schooled on and have been issued and have carried MP5 in duty situations. I have quite a bit of time on MP5. Subguns are over-rated. My sxs can deliver 52 6mm projectiles on a target or target area nstantaneously if I want it to. MP5 cant. I have a variety of load applications for sxs. MP5 doesnt. I have fewer moving parts in a sxs than MP5, and no jam issues with sxs. MP5 over penetrates and goes through and beyond. Sxs doesnt. MP5 is OK to use. I have more options with sxs and it does what I need when I need, how I need and I have shot it enough to be well versed and comfortable with it and know both its limits and advantages. You dont know sxs beyond bird hunting. I do. Maybe youve carried MP5 at work and maybe you havent. I have done so and am an instructor on it. I like sxs. I like mp5. I like and carry AR also. I really like sxsThis is a logical fallacy. Sure, a 12ga double can put 40 something pellets of #4 Buck on target with one shell, which means 80 pellets total, but the combat effectiveness of that from more than two individual targets is very suspect, while an MP5 has a far better combat effectiveness given it can be used to engage a squad.
Like the post above said, if doubles were really that much better than a machine gun, I'm sure military and police the world over would still be using them and they are not.
spot-on comment, in all regards.
i’m guessing that double-barrel shotguns require manual extraction of spent rounds, whereas many singles are handier auto-ejectors. the latter can be run very fast, probably quicker and more reliably than a pump-action in the hands of most civilians who don’t hunt or don’t shoot clays.
Leave the gun in the mode you are comfortable with. Sxs is a wonderful gun with lots of history and lots of optiondI used a Sears (Stevens 311) double 12 gauge with (F/M) 28-inch barrels for cowboy action matches. I originally intended to cut it down but it was in such good shape that I decided to leave it alone even though it slowed me down a bit. I used it in all my cowboy matches and never regretted my decision. I shoot trap with it once in a while and would no problem at all with it in a HD situation. It reminds me of "8 Gauge" in the western movie Appaloosa.