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I am now looking into buying a dragunov, but I don't have a clue about them. What is the price range that they are going for and where can I find one at a reasonable price? I have seem some Romanian ones, but like I said I don't know anything about them. Are they just as good, but without the name brand of Russian? How accurate are they? I guess that's all of my questions for now.

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I think they're ok, but you should probably go to ak47.net or akfiles.com which are devoted to ak and ak variants. You'll find loads of info on those sites.
 
The rifles you see advertised as Romanian Dragunov's, aren't. They are more correctly AK / SVD hybrids. They look similiar to the Drag, but that's pretty much where the likeness ends. The Romak-3/PSL/FPK/SSG-97 is based on the AK design, using a magazine and stock which resemble the Drag/SVD, and are chambered in 7.62x54r. They aren't 'sniper rifles' in the sense most Americans are used to. They are really what we would consider Designated Marksman Rifles.

If you do buy a Romanian, stay away from the kit guns. I had one for awhile and was displeased with the functioning and accuracy. The rifles imported as complete rifles are supposed to be better.

A true Russian Tigr (civilian SVD) will run a couple thousand. A Chinese NDM-86 will be significantly less expensive.
 
SOG International Inc (Southern Ohio Gun) currently has new, unissued Romanian Dragunov SVD rifles in stock.

Rifle with telescope is $629.00

Rifle with iron sights is $529.00 (January Sale $495.00)

http://www.southernohiogun.com

They will only ship to an FFL (duh!), but I suppose you can harangue your local dealer into ordering one for you.
 
LOL That is where I saw this gun at today. I couldn't remember what the price was at the time, but they usually have pretty good prices on guns. I registered my name for the other website but it might be a day or so before I can post on there. If the Romanian's are just as accurate then I might just go with that one. I don't know yet. I guess I have plenty of time to "research". LOL Thanks for posting.
 
I held out untill I found a Drag tiger(found one 20 miles from my home,lucky) plus he took a trade plus cash. I have added a russian Drag bi-pod for it. not very accurate with mil surplus ammo(3-4 in groups at 100 yds) but am working up some hand loads and the groups are coming down to the 1-2 in groups. Very happy with it.
 
I have a Russian and a fellow at the range has a Romanian.... no comparison.

By they way, don't let anyone kid you, NONE of these rifles are "tack drivers" when compared to a decent bolt action hunting rifle... and damn sure not in the league of a good varmint rifle etc.

A "good" one will shoot 1.5 MOA. With most surplus ammo giving groups at least twice that size.

His Romanian is not in the same ball park quality wise as the russian and his average groups are about twice what mine are with quality ammo (hand loads). AND the guns are quite different...

Me thinks these may have been "built up" for export.
 
Having owned a Romak, the Romanian PSL, I agree they are not Dragunovs. However, they are equally as accurate, especially once the trigger is smoothed out. Yet, the PSL or SVD (or the Yugo version of the PSL or the Chinese SVD, which will still run $2,000) are all the same rifle in as much as doctrine is considered. They are all DMR's. The SVD was not developed with the idea of the lone sniper or the spotter/sniper combo. It was a rifle designed to give fire support, and if things got messy, could be used as a main battle rifle. There's a reason why they ALL had provisions to mount a bayonet, a silly attachment for a true sniper's rifle.

In real world tests, though, all the rifles end up about equally accurate with match-grade ammo. The Russian SVD is enormously expensive and not worth 1/4 what they cost as a rifle. You can get an M1A for 1/4 that will out-shoot an SVD all day long. You can get a Savage 110 for 1/10 that will shoot even better. The true SVD's (plus the NDM's) are collectors' pieces that command high prices because of rarity, not performance. A good FAL will do as well.

But, the PSL (Romak) is a genuine tactical sniper's rifle, designated marksman rifle, what ever. It was designed, manufactured, and is currently employed in that regard. It is not much different from the highy regarded Yugoslav M76 (which commands equally high prices as the NDM's). Ultimately, they are a great choice to fill that niche of Comblock DMR rifle without having to pay the insane prices of a Russian, Chinese, or Yugoslav versions. Optics, by the way, are universal with these rifles.

Ash
 
CDNN still has the NDM-86 Dragunov in .308 for $1699, by far the most accurate Drag ever made. I'm not a great shot and using 168gr match ammo w/a cheap Russian 8x scope at 100yds my personal best 4-shot ctc group measures .44". My personal best 3-shot ctc group measures .24". My best 3-shot group at 500m measures 4.5".
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Unless you just wanna go for the "look"

The Romaks (Romanian) ones that I've seen are cheap junk...I've seen real Russians for about $1500+ on the auction sites. If it were me I would hold out for one of the "real" ones(SVD or NDM)...Doubtful they'll ever decrease in value....
 
And the Tigers aren't real Dragunovs either, but sporter versions made for US consumption. The Chinese NDM's are real, to be sure, and for the most part, the vast majority of Dragunovs in the US are Chinese-made. Their finish isn't so great, better than the Romaks, but still chip pretty easily.

Ash
 
Currently, Gunbroker has a Tiger for $1900. For $1800 you can get an NDM in .308 on AA and, luckey enough, on Gunsamerica they have .308 NDM for $1700, a Tiger for $2000, and a true NDM in 7.62x54R for $2300.

Ash
 
The PSL's are a pretty good rifle in general. As people have said, they're not SVDs, they're instead built on an RPK style reciever and use their own specific mags, NOT SVD mags. The barrel is a tad on the thin and whippy side; it will heat up and you will probably see vertical stringing after 80 rounds or so.

PSL accuracy is very ammunition dependant. 7.62x54R is available in match loadings, but generally with a heavier than optimum bullet for this rifle. So you can get loads with the more appropriate bullet, or you can get consistent match loads, but it's hard to find a load that's both at the moment. There have been reports of heavier stuff battering the rifle.

Second, the Romanian 4x scope isn't the greatest optic for this rifle, although it works just fine. Click adjustments are a bit coarse, and you'll end up needing to use the reticle striations for fine adjustment. I'm planning to upgrade to a higher power Russian optic.
 
SGN had a good write up on these around last Oct./Nov. if I remember correctly. They are sometimes advertised as "Romanian Druganovs", but as many have pointed out, they are not. Anyway, if you are interested, check out their archives.
 
The PSL's SOG is selling are kit guns. Interordnance has the Romanian built PSL with an 8X psop. -Ian
 
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